Religion
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Hi all, I was very surprised to discover that only 10% of the Nobel prize winners are atheist: 1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Religion_of_Nobel_Prize_winners.png 2. https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=7237 3. https://www.quora.com/What-proportion-of-Nobel-prize-winners-are-atheist 4. https://www.johnlennox.org/resources/145/how-many-nobel-prize-winners This info contradicts everything I've heard before, that there is a strong negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity. For example: 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xvILvxYbFA&feature=youtu.be&&t=1m45s 2. https://www.ted.com/talks/richard_…
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I am French. Translate this document if you want, but at your own risk. I am not lying and what I say is true. Thank you. Cartographie de l'œuvre (BD).pdf
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I'm a Westerner so I've only been mostly exposed to Western Religions such as Christianity and Judaism.
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The story of Noah's Ark says that Noah took either 2 or 7 of each kind of animal in the world on the ark. Even when we don't take the utter logistical absurdity of such an endevour, that's not the end of the problem. The story states that animals were on the ark. This means vertebrates and invertebrates - yet in our ecosystem there are also plants, fungi bacteria and viruses - and a few others. How do literalists explain this? Did Noah also have a massive seed bank on the Ark and petri dishes with smallpox and bubonic plague?
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I was recently scrolling down a group's posts who's page name was Intelligent Design, one member of the group had posted telling "Atheists: Life Created itself from Nothing", to which I replied "Do others believe it is impossible for nothing to exist?". The OP replied "I agree, there is no "nothing". I suppose the word Nothing could be highly debatable in itself, but let's presume Nothing means No Energy, Absolute Zero, absence of Atoms, Particles or Electromagnetic Fields, what remains? I read quite a while ago of the Chaldean account of creation in the Chaldean Chronicles, of how the Invisible Spirit at some "time" became aware/sentient, but where was the Invisibl…
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Yes, but how would you distinguish ethics from Christian values? Yes, that's why I am talking about modern science. One of the members of this forum, Trurl, wrote good words, that before 20th century, science studied what God created for us.
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These are some of my observations: 1. Most atheists only believe in the theory of evolution (whichever version of the theory they're coming from) because they were taught and indoctrinated to believe it, such as in schools. (Meaning if they had been born in the Middle Ages, they would be believing whatever the Church had taught them about the origins of humanity). Most aren't evolutionary biologists, and certainly never would have discovered the theory themselves from scratch - they're simply "fans" of the theory because they think it "means" something to them, or because they're attached to whatever they've been taught. Or perhaps they erroneously believe that it su…
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Hello, i'm regularly disgusted and angry when seeing some religious people, so i decided to create my own, so i act instead of just suffering Yesterday i was against religions, i don't know all of them tho Today I created the rhism, RH being my initials So i'm now religious, i'm rhist What do you think about this act ? the book of the religion is hosted on a simple webpage, at url deleted, if you are interested about reading the content I feel so much better now, having concentrated what is most important for me, and i feel that if some people would practice it, that would make the world better Tomorrow if i see some people talk to me ab…
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Can science find God, I found God after finding science. What leads most people to God is the wonders of the world, the very things that science tries to make sense of. Whatever facts that science delivers only show what God has achieved. Without knowing how and why we can still know it is.
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Is having money and wealth a sin? Did God hate money and wealth? Only, Only I say Only people that have millions or billions of money that it becomes a sin at that point. How much money did God what people to have? Some point it becomes evil what does the church say?
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Hi Seems to me we always think god is someone nice etc, i propose we think things differently, maybe to have some fun but mostly to try to evolve about this subject Personally, if god / a god exists, i see it as a conscious living being, who created universe, for an experiment, to see how things would go in, maybe just to be curious/for fun, or maybe for a future job Anyway.... -> What if god was a jerk? What if god was dead?
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https://psychiatryonline.org/doi/full/10.1176/appi.ajp.161.12.2303 CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. This article suggests that atheists are more likely to commit suicide. I see this as a negative aspect of atheism. Thoughts on this?
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Given that there are multiple groups that call themselves "Satanists", and some of them don't believe in a literal Satan, or engage in practices associated with Satanism (e.x. human or animal sacrifice), can there be said to be one cohesive definition of Satanism. I'd personally argue that "true" Satanists would be cults or sects that practice human sacrifice, black magic, and so forth (e.x. ONA), and that atheistic sects such as the LaVeyan Church of Satan are "pseudo-Satanists". I've also heard of individuals who promote immoral behaviors (e.x. the Marquis de Sade) described as Satanists, despite being nominally atheist. But since these are just my opinions, and Sa…
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This argument is simple. If someone argues that Hell (or some non-Abrahamic equivalent) doesn't exist, or takes a purely materialist perspective (e.x. and argues that, upon death, everyone ceases to exist), this is essentially leads to an absurdism, and justifies any form of antisocial behavior (including acts such as rape and murder) that a person wishes to engage in. The argument that I hear against this most frequently is that it is a non-issue, because "most people", whether they are atheist or otherwise, would not want to engage in such behaviors. But regardless, if someone was determined to do so, they could do so and there would be no ultimate reason not to ot…
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Hadith 3199, Sahih Bukhari Narrated by Abu Dhar The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at Sunset, "Do you know where the Sun goes (at the time of Sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels)(to resting place) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of …
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For example, some have asked for physical evidence, which would be unnecessary to provide since God is not a physical being. Anyone can demand an arbitrary standard of evidence for anything. For example, I could demand that someone provide a video recording that proves Julius Caesar existed, and declare that unless such a recording is provided, that there is "no evidence" for Julius Caesar's existence (while naturally discounting any other types of evidence). The reality is that people believe in lots of things which don't have or need the types of evidence that one might provide for the existence of gravity, they're just very selective about it, and I think tha…
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I'll start with this: "Religion is about control or preventing people from doing things they like" - This is a terrible criticism since the laws of any nation or state are about "control", and this isn't necessarily a bad thing. (In fact, many modern laws developed out of older, religious sources of law). Obviously a rapist "likes" to rape his victims, and the laws against rape prevent him from doing something "he likes", but most would agree that this is a good thing, and that not everything some person somewhere may "like" to do (e.x. rape, murder, etc) should be allowed. "Religion is about legislating morality". - This is a derivation of the above. Laws again…
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Paul mentioned that hardship could come from marriage, and recommended that people not marry unless they felt they had to (and most likely, this is the origin of the requirement of priesthood celebacy in the Catholic Church). My thoughts are that he recommended this because he was aware of dysfunctional and abusive relationships being a reality, as well as the dysfunctions caused by poorly-planned childbirth, particularily in a day and age where most people lived in comparative poverty and deaths in childbirth were likely a reality. I'd argue that this also renders the teachings of many religious sects heretical as far as the Bible is concerned, such as the Catholic …
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What's your opinion on Dharmic religions i.e. Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism? I personally like them more than Abrahamic religions since they are more tolerant and don't have the same "who doesn't believe in me goes to hell" approach. A nice introduction to Buddhism:
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While my understanding of the Biblical text isn't all-encompassing, God seems to have given Adam and Eve different instructions after departing from the Garden of Eden. Some of these, such as requiring them to cover their nakedness may be easy to recall. God also did not give Adam and Eve permission to eat meat until after the fall of man, and prior to that they were presumably vegans, only being given permission to eat the fruit of the trees. Regarding childbirth, God instructed Adam and Eve to "be fruitful and multiply" while in Eden, but after the Fall of Man, stated that childbirth would be a source of suffering (and if we skip to the New Testament, of course Paul sta…
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I'm curious to what degree people think that Islam can be tolerated in the developed world. I'm aware that there are certain xenophobic individuals who simply oppose "foreigners" and that their hostility to "Islam" boils down to the fact that it primarily arrives in the West through immigration from the Middle East. The may use arguments against Islam to rationalize their xenophobia, but it doesn't really amount to much more than that (which is why you won't see the same fearmongering directed toward Christian sects which are known for barbaric, 3rd world practices, such as the FLDS cult). I'm not an expert on Islam and not convinced that barbaric behaviors by Muslim…
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earlier when i heard someone say that religion and science are the two sides of same coin, i used to get seriously pissed. but after learning about my culture and how media butchers its concepts and also spreads misinformation,i wanted to spread truth about my faith,whats your thought on your religion or mine??
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Which definition of faith are you using? trust/confidence in something 1. despite there being no evidence, or 2. because there is lots of evidence?
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Based on my understanding of source texts (such as the Bible) and theology (e.x. Institutes of the Christian religion), most Christians are not true Christians. Many have simply never read, comprehended, or properly interpreted the Bible. Typically, they have only read bits and parts and misinterpreted it. Some may even lack the literacy or mental comprehension to do so. (I don't understand how, for example, a person with a 70 IQ could properly read and interpret the Bible or a theology book which was written and interpreted by well-educated scholars). Most sects are also, to my knowledge, based off of corruptions of the Bible (such as the Catholic Church's offi…
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Often violence committed by God is a point of criticism of religion (generally in relation to the Abrahamic religions), however violence committed by nature (e.x. earthquakes) doesn't tend to draw the same criticism of nature. (e.x. people often hold that "caring for the planet" is a good axiom, sometimes to a quasi-religious degree, even when nature seems apathetic to the suffering of humans). I'm curious why this is. I suppose one could take a purely pragmatic approach and believe that human intervention in nature could cause loss of human life, and therefore should be avoided purely for the sake of consequences to humanity, however this wouldn't explain a reverenc…
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