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Ah ! The 'hind sight' argument. The fact that it was a 'truth' at one time, tells of the variable definition of 'true'. Let me put it this way ... If we're ever in a discussion where I say something is 'true', you can question me, and the thinking that allowed me to arrive to such a conclusion. Even if I say "I don't know the value of Pi to 10 decimal places" that is a truth, as it may change once more knowledge is gained. If, in that discussion, I say something is a 'fact', you can look it up, or independently verify it. So, if I say "We can never know the exact value of Pi", or "We can't know the position and momentum of a quantum particle exactly", those are facts. They may also be true right now, but they were not hundred(s) of years ago. Facts are information, truths are feelings, like love/hate/etc, that defy definition due to theirsubjectivity. Edit: The above opinion is truthful, because, as I've stated, that is how I use the terms; it is certainly not a fact that every one does the same.

I have stated that before; that is how I use the terms 'true' and 'fact'. All facts are true; not all truths are factual. You can provide as many facts that are true as you wish, but I only need to provide one 'truth' that is not factual, to make my point.

I would think it is a fact that no one knows the exact value of Pi. But the true value of Pi, for me or @sethoflagos , might be 3.14159 or 22/7, while for Suresh Kumar Sharma ( Indian ) who can recite the value of Pi to 70030 digits, from memory, in 17 hours and 14 minutes, my value is very far from true. Different people have different truths; facts are the same for everyone.

I think the only time he ever amounted to anything was in high-school. He has become a disrespected SoD, and a laughing stock; any capable Pentagon Commanders who haven't quit, he has fired. Maybe he's trying to re-live his glory days by acting like a high-schooler. He and his boss are in adirectionless war they started, and don't seem to be able to get out of, yet he worries about soldiers' appearance and 'machismo' ? So, vaccinations are to be discontinued, and steroid use mandated ? What could go wrong ? And will Testosterone be administered to female soldiers also ? I thought they had implemented rules against sex-change and DEI in the Armed Forces 😄 😄 . ( what a joke )

I'm gonna hate myself in the morning for quoting right-wing influencers and MAGA supporters, but they do illustrate the difference. " Facts don't care about your feelings, nor what you think is true." And people like RFK Jr. who snorted coke off toilet seats, claimed that a worm ate part of his brain, who dropped a dead bear in Central Park and chopped the head off a whale,, actually thinks that no vaccine is safe and effective to be the truth. Or the senile, vindictive moron that Americans call President who actually believes he won the 2020 Presidential election; after being laughed out of Court countless times due to lack of evidence, he still claims it to be true. The facts, however, say otherwise. Notice the not-so-subtle difference. Facts are immutable; truth ? ... not so much.

Perfect example. Virtue has differing meaning to different people ... and so does truth. Another good example. Headaches, or inflammation due to headaches, do show up in MRIs or CT scans, so they can be verified. The word 'like' is purely subjective, and cannot be verified, as it is a subjective belief, which can and often does change; a personal 'truth', if you will.

That is exactly my point. Anything not verifiable is a belief. Facts do have qualifiers. Or to put it in a way 'closer' to your thinking ... What is the value of Pi ? Or, since we don't know the exact value, is it not a fact that Pi*D is the circumference of a circle ?

I don't see how that follows. What is a truthful fact ? And what would then be an untrue fact ??? If I say something is 'true', you can say that it isn't. If I say something is a 'fact', either you, or I, can verify it and there cannot be disagreement. But maybe that is just my personal usage of the two words.

Yes. That was their 'truth'. But it is, was, and will always be a fact that Venus is one body. No matter what is believed to be true by those particular people. ( lack of facts does not make them untrue, but truth is not necessarily factual )

Yes, of course. The common perception is that once a certain mass density is exceeded, collapse to a BH is required. But, mass being a specific form of energy, whenever a certain energy density is exceeded ( as in a hot, dense, radiation-dominated, early universe ), collapse to a BH is also required. In GR, there is no mass term contributing to curvature, only energy-momentum, but it was always thought energy density variations would have been very small ( arising from Quantum fluctuations in the even earlier, causally connected universe ), but recent evidence from large space-based telescopes hints that the massive BHs at the centers of galaxies may have formed first ( as in your Quasar example ) as 'seeds' for subsequent galaxy formation.

This would be true of the English side as well, and the Trump - Starmer relationship. However, the American President and his fascist cronies might prefer Argentina, with their past immigration policies favoring NAZIs. ( a low blow considering the World Cup is supposedly apolitical )

Second Falklands war coming up on Wednesday. Quite a bit of L Messi's magic is gone, while J Bellingham is really starting to shine. ( though FIFA and the officiating seem to favor the reigning World Champions so far ). England seems to step up to the challenge, depending on who they play against. All their games have been nail-biters, and they only do the bare minimum to win after making you sweat a while. Let's hope they keep it up; maybe it is coming home.

Waste of time. Only thing that will make a difference is getting out and voting to limit these bastard's power in November, voting them out of office in '28, and then prosecuting them to the full extent of the law ( send them to CECOT in El Salvador ).

If only Egypt had been able to defend like England did; even being a man down. Ploughing the field is hard work; you've gotta put in the effort.

Spoke too soon. Argentina scored three goals in the last 15 min. Their last goal is a little controversial, due to fouling in the build up ( which similarly denied Egypt's 3rd goal ), so there have been some 'confrontations' and complaints, after and during the last few minutes of play. Luck seems to still be with Argentina.