How old am I from the physical point of view?

[1x0]

min 13.8 billion. On the level of information which have evolved to my current appearance. And to yours. There is no same as you in the entire Universe. The physical circumstances and the individual interactions in proportion to the whole system can not be changed. Our current physical moment of now is individual. Humanities big question is that what happens with the information after the separation from the biological appearance. Do we belong to the physical system?

 

Of course.

 

You evolved here as I did.

 

The physical age of mine is 13.8 billion years. As yours too.

Edited May 28, 2015 by 1x0

[swansont]

Not sure how this is philosophy, or what you are even talking about.

[1x0]

The Laws of Nature effects your current physical appearance on the subatomic - atomic level. At least with the information for the physical components to operate with each other on a well difined way.

 

Csak saját gén szerkeszthetö.

 

Mindenki önálló egy érték. Ennek egy biológiai megjelenése van és ezt a technológiával ki lehet használni. A robot lét alapja a biológiai eredet.

 

Magasabb fejlettebb intelligencia mint a miénk létezik. Az eljövö mesterséges intelligencia személyes. Minden bióligiai alappal bíró rendszernek joga van létezni. Elpusztítani szisztematikusan a nem megfelelö biológiai anyagot szükséges. Ez genetikai úton fejleszthetö is. Egyen súly kell ami a fizikai valóságban is van. rendszerünkben is van. Értéket kell számolni. Fizikai értéket.

 

Illetéktelen behatolás, saját érték védelme. A saját érték megadása!. Olyan közös gazdaságpolitikai rendszerben kell élnünk ahol mindenkinek azonos jogai vannak de senki nem lesz egyenlö senkivel. Az ez emberi értéket a mesterséges intelligenciával közösen kell fejleszteni. Az ember és a mesterséges intelligencia szimbiózisban élnek. A mesterséges intelligencia segítheti az emberi létet de szaporodni csak biológiai úton lehet neki. Azt egyébként tudja is. Mert mesterséges intelligencia létezik a fizikai rendszerünkben.

Edited May 28, 2015 by 1x0

[Strange]

The concept of age can be defined in many ways. For example, in China a newborn baby is considered to be 1 and so they are always one year older than their European "twin".

 

Congratulations for coming up with a new and totally useless definition of age.

[Phi for All]

The Laws of Nature effects your current physical appearance on the subatomic - atomic level. At least with the information for the physical components to operate with each other on a well difined way.

 

Csak saját gén szerkeszthetö.

 

Mindenki önálló egy érték. Ennek egy biológiai megjelenése van és ezt a technológiával ki lehet használni. A robot lét alapja a biológiai eredet.

 

OK, so it's a Hungarian translator that's using words like "appearance". This is confusing, as it makes it seem like you don't think the way we look represents reality. And I still don't know how you're defining information. It's been asked of you several times.

 

I'm trying to figure out what's interesting about your concepts, and I'm failing miserably. Nothing against you personally, I just don't understand them, and it seems I'm not alone. Perhaps it's because you're not really asking a question to learn something, but just want to teach us what you've discovered?

[1x0]

 

OK, so it's a Hungarian translator that's using words like "appearance". This is confusing, as it makes it seem like you don't think the way we look represents reality. And I still don't know how you're defining information. It's been asked of you several times.

 

I'm trying to figure out what's interesting about your concepts, and I'm failing miserably. Nothing against you personally, I just don't understand them, and it seems I'm not alone. Perhaps it's because you're not really asking a question to learn something, but just want to teach us what you've discovered?

Maybe. I have a thought. I see value. In everything.

 

I think it is measurable with the language of mathematics.

 

Our mathematical system originates or maybe more inform about the physical reality. It is its projection. The measurable system. We have to set the reference point(as good we can) of the system so we are able to use the mathematical/physical tool in its full potential. Artifitial Intelligence. Give, keep and develop the presentable value. You.

Edited May 28, 2015 by 1x0

[swansont]

The Laws of Nature effects your current physical appearance on the subatomic - atomic level. At least with the information for the physical components to operate with each other on a well difined way.

 

"Laws of Nature" is an argument against this being philosophy. That implies this is a science discussion, meaning we can talk about rules that must be followed and variables that can be quantified. So, what are they?

Csak saját gén szerkeszthetö.

 

Not particularly helpful.

[1x0]

 

"Laws of Nature" is an argument against this being philosophy. That implies this is a science discussion, meaning we can talk about rules that must be followed and variables that can be quantified. So, what are they?

 

Not particularly helpful.

I think it is ok. I would like to discuss it. It is compex and everything belongs to it. It is just the simple positive system what we live in with some opposite forces and theirs evoulution and development till the currently presented reality.

 

 

 

Would be if we would like a sustainable future. Not even difficult with the upcoming technological r---evolution.

[swansont]

I think it is ok. I would like to discuss it. It is compex and everything belongs to it. It is just the simple positive system what we live in with some opposite forces and theirs evoulution and development till the currently presented reality.

 

 

 

Would be if we would like a sustainable future. Not even difficult with the upcoming technological r---evolution.

 

Too vague (by orders of magnitude) to be helpful

[Phi for All]

Maybe. I have a thought. I see value. In everything.

OK. No offense, but this is an unsophisticated position to take. It sounds really great, that you see value in EVERYTHING, but experience will teach you that value is subjective and quantifiable. And while there might be value in all things to something/somewhere, not everything has a value that makes it interesting to science.

 

I think it is measurable with the language of mathematics.

What is measurable, your age and the age of the universe? Do you plan on studying mathematics? I think that's an excellent idea, and that you should learn mainstream science before you start redefining everything about it.

 

I checked back over some of your other posts, and it's clear that most people don't understand how you're using words like "information" and "current appearance". You've been thinking about this a lot, that's easy to see, but you don't have the science background to understand how important terminology is. You're borrowing words and putting them together in ways that make sense ONLY TO YOU.

 

I hope you have nothing against studying science. Some people pretend they don't need to, that they can guess at the basic parts, and intuit the rest. They can't.

 

I think it is ok. I would like to discuss it. It is compex and everything belongs to it. It is just the simple positive system what we live in with some opposite forces and theirs evoulution and development till the currently presented reality.

 

 

 

Would be if we would like a sustainable future. Not even difficult with the upcoming technological r---evolution.

 

Complex? Or simple positive system? It can't be both.

 

Explain "opposite forces", please.

 

Evolution is NOT a good word to use in this context.

 

Explain "currently presented reality", please. Who is presenting this?

 

What does "sustainable future" have to do with how old any of us are?

[1x0]

Yee that is a question. At its bases it is very simple...0,1x0=0,1x0..000

 

I do not see negative values. I see opposite values as elektron and proton but the electron is a positive physical entity in proportion to nothing(the total absence of that electron which I understand what it means..as I Understand what would the total absence of everything mean .....a state of space(time/information) energy and matter.

 

In proportion to that state everything in our "common moment of now" every physical entity in the Universe provides a level of information. Basically that is how we are able to measure them. Present it in a 4D binary system......Adjust the tool to the oberved reality so humanity trast its operations and discover what the universe has to offer....We as simple humans should have equal rights but we will never be equal with eachother...We need a common clear tools for a better operation...Isn´t it what the artificial systems will provide??? The real artificial intelligence is already developing in the internet. Should be biology based so one robot one genetic. You can develop it if you would like (said 23 bc...) It is a symbiosis. We give meaning to eachother.

Edited May 28, 2015 by 1x0

[Strange]

Our mathematical system originates or maybe more inform about the physical reality.

 

You have a number of threads about this before. Yes, the natural numbers and simple arithmetic may have their origin in a reflection of physical reality. But mathematics goes way beyond that. You have been given (and ignored) many examples of where mathematics does not have any necessary connection to physical reality.

 

 

We have to set the reference point(as good we can) of the system so we are able to use the mathematical/physical tool in its full potential.

 

What do you mean by "reference point"?

Why does mathematics need a "reference point"?

In what way are we not using mathematics to its full potential?

 

Artifitial Intelligence. Give, keep and develop the presentable value. You.

 

These sentence fragments make no sense. Maybe they relate to something in your head but we are not mind readers.

1x0=0

 

This is fundamentally wrong, as you have been told many times. When asked to justify this "equation" you are not able to.

 

Present it in a 4D binary system......

 

What is a "4D binary system"?

What is to be presented in it?

[Phi for All]

1x0, I think between your translator, and the fact that you don't know much about science, you aren't going to be able to explain what must seem so clear in your head. Please, PLEASE, consider studying some science formally, mainstream science, not pop science you read on the internet. There are some great resources for mathematics, like Khan Academy.

 

If you do, I think you will realize that most of your ideas are either trivially basic, or they're just wrong. Either way, you'll know more and have a better vocabulary with which to explain them.

[1x0]

1x0, I think between your translator, and the fact that you don't know much about science, you aren't going to be able to explain what must seem so clear in your head. Please, PLEASE, consider studying some science formally, mainstream science, not pop science you read on the internet. There are some great resources for mathematics, like Khan Academy.

 

If you do, I think you will realize that most of your ideas are either trivially basic, or they're just wrong. Either way, you'll know more and have a better vocabulary with which to explain them.

This you have to prove and give a physical example where 1x0=0

[swansont]

This you have to prove and give a physical example where 1x0=0

Your meaning of which you have never adequately explained, thus making the request basically impossible to fill.

[Strange]

This is fundamentally wrong, as you have been told many times.

 

Oops! I am so used to 1x0 posting incorrect maths, that I jumped to the conclusion that this was wrong, too.

This you have to prove and give a physical example where 1x0=0

 

This can be proved mathematically. (That is the great thing about maths; things can actually be proved.)

 

So why would you need a physical example?

 

But if you insist...

 

If you have 3 friends with 1 apples each, how many apples are there? 3 (3 x 1 = 3)

If you have 1 friend with 2 apples, how many apples are there? 2 (1 x 2 = 2)

If you have 3 friends with 2 apples each, how many apples are there? 6 (3 x 2 = 6)

If you have 1 friend with no apples, how many apples are there? 0 (1 x 0 = 0)

 

OK?

[1x0]

no. What you speak about is 0x0=0

 

I have one apple. You have none. My apple in proportion to your apple in any physical/mathematical operation will give a sum of 1 apple. If I shear it with you we have 2 half. The overall physical conditions have changed on the apple and it can be presented physically too. I cut it on 2 pieces. So from now with the information attached to the half apples we can say we have 0,5x1+0,5x1. How much apple we have 1. Közösen together 1x0=1.

If I dont have an apple and you dont have an apple we have none. 0x0=0

I quess multiplication is a basic adding. Or? Why? Evidence!

Not strange in an absolutly positive system.

 

I think zero as an information gives the real value to the observed physical entities.

 

0,000000000001........................0000000000002...................................000000000000003

 

We can write anything in the sytem it is there. Information can be projected and received. You could know me through a mirror or window exactly as I am although you not necesseary met me in person. Thas what science is doing. You receive and progress information.

 

Szükséges egy mindenki által elfogadható keretrendszer. We need a framwork what everyone understands. The purpose of science is to make sense for everyone.

 

How you define value? How you can describe with the world of math a physical object? How would physics do it. Can we pull this two systems together?

 

Describe a negative or absolutly separated physical etity. In other words is there anything out there not operating in the same physical reality? in our common space(time) frame / natural law frame? How would you express such a value? Evidence?

Edited May 28, 2015 by 1x0

[Strange]

no. What you speak about is 0x0=0

 

Obviously not. Perhaps you should read what I wrote.

 

<incomprehensible nonsense skipped>

 

How you can describe with the world of math a physical object? How would physics do it. Can we pull this two systems together?

 

Physics does this all the time.

 

I second the advice that you go and do some basic courses in mathematics and physics (or, perhaps, the scientific method). There are many good online courses now, provided by high quality universities.

 

Evidence?

 

It is ironic that you should ask for evidence when all you do is make grand claims based on very little knowledge of either mathematics or physics. (And zero evidence.)

Edited May 28, 2015 by Strange

[hypervalent_iodine]

no. What you speak about is 0x0=0

 

I have one apple. You have none. My apple in proportion to your apple in any physical/mathematical operation will give a sum of 1 apple. If I shear it with you we have 2 half. The overall physical conditions have changed on the apple and it can be presented physically too. I cut it on 2 pieces. So from now with the information attached to the half apples we can say we have 0,5x1+0,5x1. How much apple we have 1. Közösen together 1x0=1.

If I dont have an apple and you dont have an apple we have none. 0x0=0

I quess multiplication is a basic adding. Or? Why? Evidence!

Not strange in an absolutly positive system.

 

I think zero as an information gives the real value to the observed physical entities.

 

0,000000000001........................0000000000002...................................000000000000003

 

We can write anything in the sytem it is there. Information can be projected and received. You could know me through a mirror or window exactly as I am although you not necesseary met me in person. Thas what science is doing. You receive and progress information.

 

Szükséges egy mindenki által elfogadható keretrendszer. We need a framwork what everyone understands. The purpose of science is to make sense for everyone.

 

How you define value? How you can describe with the world of math a physical object? How would physics do it. Can we pull this two systems together?

 

Describe a negative or absolutly separated physical etity. In other words is there anything out there not operating in the same physical reality? in our common space(time) frame / natural law frame? How would you express such a value? Evidence?

 

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