[NotAAfterthougt]

Don't worry, you're not going crazy.


http://en.wikipedia....ptic_phenomenon

This post has been edited by NotAAfterthougt: 14 May 2009 - 04:17 AM
Reason for edit: Consecutive posts merged.

[capitanboots]

i've noticed these little light specs as well, i first saw them when i was about six, i was sitting in the school bathroom staring at the ground and i noticed them darting vertically and horizontally, however now, they dart around in random directions like a swarm of bugs, i know its not floaters and i dont think its that blue syndrome watever its called because they dont have any sort of "track" they dart around every which way, however, after i took hallucinogens i have come up with somewhat of a hypothesis, before, and i think some of you have referred to this, ive noticed an almost in detectable "static" layer over everything i see, it seems to be inside my eyes, when i took lsd, i noticed that as it very gradually came on, this static slowly sharpened and focused into fractal patterns and colors, my theory is that this layer is the bridge between your nerve cells in your eyes and your brain, i think it's your brain processing what you're seeing, i think that little ringing in your ears that never goes away is the same thing, but for hearing

[dr.syntax]

capitanboots said:

i've noticed these little light specs as well, i first saw them when i was about six, i was sitting in the school bathroom staring at the ground and i noticed them darting vertically and horizontally, however now, they dart around in random directions like a swarm of bugs, i know its not floaters and i dont think its that blue syndrome watever its called because they dont have any sort of "track" they dart around every which way, however, after i took hallucinogens i have come up with somewhat of a hypothesis, before, and i think some of you have referred to this, ive noticed an almost in detectable "static" layer over everything i see, it seems to be inside my eyes, when i took lsd, i noticed that as it very gradually came on, this static slowly sharpened and focused into fractal patterns and colors, my theory is that this layer is the bridge between your nerve cells in your eyes and your brain, i think it's your brain processing what you're seeing, i think that little ringing in your ears that never goes away is the same thing, but for hearing

REPLY: I`ve had simular thoughts at least about that constant noise that seems to come from the ears. It`s been my thought that it is yet another way repressed feelings,emotions interfere in brain function. All that repressed nervous energy has to go somewhere and spills over into the neural circuitry somewhere and expresses itself as strange noises appearing to come from the ears and so very many other things like nervous ticks, headaches,hyperactivity,restless leg syndrome,obssesive compulsive behaviour,phobias,counterphobias,compulsive eating, smoking cigarrettes taking drugs, drinking alcohol, obsessive talkers, obssesive bloggers, and on and on and on. It never lets up and our efforts to keep unwanted feelings blocked and locked inside us can`t let up either. Unless we allow ourselves to feel these unwanted feelings in their full intensity in a connected and curing way. Not yet another one of those ways to COPE with IT. The way out of this mess if you find youself in it is called Primal Therapy. To read all about it go to : http:www.primaltherapy.com . There is all sorts of free information about all this available there. Articles, videos, Dr. Janov`s blog where you can ask him questions. All free. For all but the asking Janov questions you do not sign up or join anything.Also, there is no fee for joining in on his blog and asking him questions. No questions are asked of you what so ever for all the free stuff provided there. ...Dr.Syntax

This post has been edited by dr.syntax: 30 September 2009 - 03:09 AM

[iNow]

<cough>Primal Therapy is NOT the answer to everything. Stop pretending it is.</cough>

[dr.syntax]

iNow said:

<cough>Primal Therapy is NOT the answer to everything. Stop pretending it is.</cough>

REPLY: YOU GOT THAT. YOU DON`T TELL ME ANYTHING. I never said primal therapy was the answer to everything. I don`t pretend it is. What you think means nothing to me . I tried to get along with you , I`m through bothering with that . You ignore the rules constantly and seek out my postings for your nasty replies. you are one sick little man. ...Dr.Syntax

[iNow]

dr.syntax said:

REPLY: YOU GOT THAT. YOU DON`T TELL ME ANYTHING. I never said primal therapy was the answer to everything. I don`t pretend it is. What you think means nothing to me . I tried to get along with you , I`m through bothering with that . You ignore the rules constantly and seek out my postings for your nasty replies. you are one sick little man. ...Dr.Syntax

Well... That was helpful. I trust your suggestion now that you've supported it so well. :rolleyes:


Okay. Maybe I wasn't clear enough the first time. Let me be more specific, then.

dr.syntax said:

The way out of this mess if you find youself in it is called Primal Therapy.

If it's worked for you, then super, but it won't work for everyone and it won't work for every problem. You bring this up in threads where it is completely unrelated. You are essentially spamming (you've now mentioned it in more than 14 posts), and that is what I was responding to.

As an aside, I would presume that if the therapy were as effective as you claim then you would be a much calmer person more capable of dealing with people in social situations.


It doesn't matter, though. You're proposing this idea of "primal therapy" for people having darted specks of light in their vision. Not only do you not know the root cause of their issue, but you are spamming an idea which will likely have zero impact on it (hint: it's physiological, not psychological).

[dr.syntax]

iNow said:

Well... That was helpful. I trust your suggestion now that you've supported it so well. :rolleyes:


Okay. Maybe I wasn't clear enough the first time. Let me be more specific, then.


If it's worked for you, then super, but it won't work for everyone and it won't work for every problem. You bring this up in threads where it is completely unrelated. You are essentially spamming (you've now mentioned it in more than 14 posts), and that is what I was responding to.

As an aside, I would presume that if the therapy were as effective as you claim then you would be a much calmer person more capable of dealing with people in social situations.


It doesn't matter, though. You're proposing this idea of "primal therapy" for people having darted specks of light in their vision. Not only do you not know the root cause of their issue, but you are spamming an idea which will likely have zero impact on it (hint: it's physiological, not psychological).

REPLY: I have never said that Primal works for everyone or every problem, never said it. You insist on saying I have or insinuate the same. What I have said or implied is that it can work for most problems stemming from the suppression,repression of unresolved,disconnected,unconscious feelings. These are the types of feelings most of us end up repressing a large amount of by the time we are 7 and often much earlier. And the pain doesn`t stop piling up then. By 7 or earlier most develope complex arrangements in our brains and bodies for suppressing and storing unresolved feelings. So as we go through life we just keep adding more to what Janov calls the "Primal Pool". These suppressed, unconnected memories don`t lie there harmlessly. They exert such biologic responses as the release of adrenaline and cortisol. These hormones help us mobilize the body for fight or flight. But, they have a big downside when they continue to be pumped into our bodies constantly. For instance sores will not heal when these stress hormones are in your bloodstream significantly. I think it was NOVA that showed an experiment that clearly illustrated this phenomenon recently with Alan Alda. Wich brings me to my next point. There is no seperating the physiological from the psychological. Anything that influences the psychological influences the physiological. There is no seperating the two. When you and I get angry stress hormones are pumped into our bodies raising our blood pressure and heart rates. Pain and fear pump stress hormones in simular ways. It is well known that pleasure has its own hormones and such related to pleasant events. These feelings are real things that have a reality based on the chemical entities I just discussed in a general simplfied overview. So, there is no seperating the psycologic from the physiologic. Much of Janov`s scientific evidence is based on this biological fact of life. The measure of a patients blood pressure, heartrate and ? before during and after a primal. They also keep a record of patients vital statistics as they progress through therapy. That web address I gave has Janov there giving a short concise assessment of just what Primal Therapy is all about. Check it out . No one can explain what Primal Therapy is better than Dr. Janov. at http://www.primaltherapy.com . You will not be bored and you can read the brief overview or ask questions of Dr.Janov himself. Suppressed pain is in my opinion the reason for seeing those dots and hearing those sounds and is therefore absolutely relevent to the question asked. How is it any less relevent than what other people think causes it ? I back it up with some sound reasoning that makes sense. ...Dr.Syntax

This post has been edited by dr.syntax: 30 September 2009 - 12:54 PM

[iNow]

dr.syntax said:

What I have said or implied is that it can work for most problems stemming from the suppression,repression of unresolved,disconnected,unconscious feelings.

And that has zero to do with the topic of this thread, dr.syntax.

[dr.syntax]

iNow said:

And that has zero to do with the topic of this thread, dr.syntax.

REPLY: Your insistance on arguing with me hijacked this thread. What is wrong with you. You need a good Primal. You are obsessed with something about me. It`s an old feeling . What is it you want from me ? To say you are right and that I am wrong ? Something along those lines ? there is some big feeling arising in you and I trigger it. That`s as much as I can see. You have to allow these feelings to happen if you wish to be free of them. Do you want scream and yell at me. Tell me how much you`d enjoy beating me ,things like that. ....Dr.Syntax

[Cap'n Refsmmat]

Drop it. That's enough of that for this thread. You both agree this has nothing to do with the topic but you keep arguing about it anyway.

dr.syntax, "primal therapy" is not a widely accepted treatment system in psychiatry and there is little peer-reviewed evidence to show it works properly. As per our forum rules, you shouldn't be bringing your own favorite theories (like primal therapy) into the discussion as though they're accepted facts that can answer the questions. If you'd like to discuss primal therapy in its own thread, feel free, but please don't treat it like an accepted fact.

(You might say "but it works!", and it might, but does it work to treat specks of light in vision? There are much better ways of explaining what causes spots in your vision and a good doctor can determine what's going on. The only room for mental therapy in this thread is if the person is hallucinating.)

[One of the Few]

I get these as well, they appear almost siveresque, I usually get them after sitting up quickly while i have been sitting down for extended periods of time. Alas this is only for a breif flight of time as my vision starts to go black (: I see that there is most like likely no "remedy" for such things. I am sorry if this has caused you discomfort in any way.

[bascule]

NotAAfterthougt said:

Don't worry, you're not going crazy.


http://en.wikipedia....ptic_phenomenon

What's odd is I experience this fairly frequently (once or twice a month), but always in my shower, which has yellow tiles, not blue.

The explanation that this comes from blood flowing through the retina makes perfect sense though.

[viewsonic]

Hi

I must say its been of great relief to read others that may have a similar problem to mine.....

I not only have a few floaters, but i have when looking at the sky millions of little bright specks that dart around, they truly do look like im looking at living bacteria moving around in my eyes....

I mentioned this to my eye specialist and he laughed and said to me that you cant see bacteria, i reduced down to the size of tom thumb and crept away under the door feeling very stupid..... lol

Ive kinda diagnosed my own eye problems down to excessive smoking and have now quit......

Im hoping i will see some improvement

regards

Nigel

[janec]

Hi there - yes I get them. Anyone want to discuss along the lines of perhaps things from another dimension. Sorry but all the medical theories could be a cover up!!

[chucky]

Yes i see them as well , sometimes when i cough they are more vivid , must have something to do with tiny blood vessels at the back of your eyes. I also see them when i look at a white computer screen.

janec, on 8 April 2010 - 03:06 PM, said:

Hi there - yes I get them. Anyone want to discuss along the lines of perhaps things from another dimension. Sorry but all the medical theories could be a cover up!!

dont flatter yourself im sure other dimensions could come up with more than squiggly lines.

[vthegreen]

Yes! I have these too! All the people who think they "know" what these are (spots, protein, cells, bacteria, etc) are completely wrong. I call them the dancing lights, and they are something completely different than all of those things, though what, I have no idea. The closest thing I have seen to them is the contrived images of an electron popping in and out of existence while spinning around inside the atom. These are very small particles of light, all of them absolutely uniform in size and shape, but differing in motion. The closest approximation of their movement I can think of it what it looks like when someone just jabs over and over at a piece of paper with a pen/pencil.

I only see them in real sunlight, though if I stare hard at a Tv screen/comp monitor it looks similar, but as if the specs are much smaller or far more tightly packed/condensed.

I also have to let my eyes go out of focus to really see them all that well. it just looks like generalized movement/fuzziness all over if my eyes are focused.

I wish I knew what these were!!

I didn't always see them, though staring into a really bright snowy area always produced a strange, movement-like impression on empty space, which is similar in some ways...

I've been seeing them every day since last summer.

losfomot, on 28 April 2005 - 10:49 PM, said:

I am pretty sure I see the same things your talking about. I've looked at some of the 'visual snow' simulations and it is nothing like that at all. I don't even notice them unless I am staring at a blue sky with unfocused eyes. I remember first noticing them when I was a teenager (or maybe even younger). I don't think they are DEAD blood cells, as they are a bit too active. cosmic rays?... I doubt it but who knows?

The best words to describe them that come into my head are 'virtual particles'. I don't know if that's really what they are, but that's how they seem to act... little specks that pop into existence travel a very short distance and then pop out of existence.

I estimate at least a hundred of these things per second in my vision all going in random directions... it's really quite interesting watching them, and I really wish I knew what they were too.

I find it quite difficult to tell if their movement is affected when I look around because they come and go so fast.

Please let me know, GaryLeo, if this description is similar to what you see.

[Marat]

Muscati fugitens, or 'floaters,' are harmless dark specks which people see moving around in their eyes, especially when light hits the eyeball at the right angle to accent their appearnce. These are perfectly normal symptoms of dead cells being shed by the inner eyeball, and although they can appear more often in the aging eye, they are nothing to worry about.

However, bright flashes which patients describe as flames around the rim of the eyeball or as electrical sparks can be signs of traction on the retina and could be more serious. If the symptoms are more like this than like floaters, they should be investigated by an ophthalmologist. Similarly, the appearance of small, white, outlined circles in the visual field can also be caused by the release of lipids from underlying levels of the retina, which is also pathological and should be investigated.

[Nbrk5]

losfomot, on 28 April 2005 - 10:49 PM, said:

I am pretty sure I see the same things your talking about. I've looked at some of the 'visual snow' simulations and it is nothing like that at all. I don't even notice them unless I am staring at a blue sky with unfocused eyes. I remember first noticing them when I was a teenager (or maybe even younger). I don't think they are DEAD blood cells, as they are a bit too active. cosmic rays?... I doubt it but who knows?

The best words to describe them that come into my head are 'virtual particles'. I don't know if that's really what they are, but that's how they seem to act... little specks that pop into existence travel a very short distance and then pop out of existence.

I estimate at least a hundred of these things per second in my vision all going in random directions... it's really quite interesting watching them, and I really wish I knew what they were too.

I find it quite difficult to tell if their movement is affected when I look around because they come and go so fast.

Please let me know, GaryLeo, if this description is similar to what you see.

Hi. My search on these sparks brought me here. What you and GaryLeo describe is what I see, too (I've always seen since a child - am now in my thirties). Only now it's become more "real" not so much in the background anymore. There are now also ripples/flow occurring. I see them all the time, not only in sunlight anymore. Please let me know if you come across an answer, I'm also curious. But so happy that others see this too!

[StringJunky]

Nbrk5, on 18 January 2012 - 10:14 AM, said:

Hi. My search on these sparks brought me here. What you and GaryLeo describe is what I see, too (I've always seen since a child - am now in my thirties). Only now it's become more "real" not so much in the background anymore. There are now also ripples/flow occurring. I see them all the time, not only in sunlight anymore. Please let me know if you come across an answer, I'm also curious. But so happy that others see this too!

http://www.allaboutv...spotsfloats.htm

I would go and consult an ophthamologist.

This post has been edited by StringJunky: 18 January 2012 - 02:08 PM

[Joshua201]

think they're just proteins or other particles floating in the vitreous or aqueous humors.remember they're recycled hence are connected to the body's general circulation, so

stuff

might get in