Tom O'Neil Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 On the question of what kind of skin: Voynich manuscript @ Wiki Please address my question on deciphering the manuscript text that I posted. Can you or can you not decipher it? If yes, then tell us what it says, and if no then tell us why you can't decipher it. (Whether deciphered in whole or in part.) Right now I can only make out themes and labels, but whole strings of VMS text is too complex. Check this Clock. I played around with the Sun on f67r1 and used Welsh, English and Roman Numerals and it's interpreted to me as a 24 hour period Clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acme Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Right now I can only make out themes and labels, but whole strings of VMS text is too complex. Check this Clock. I played around with the Sun on f67r1 and used Welsh, English and Roman Numerals and it's interpreted to me as a 24 hour period Clock. It seems to me if you can decipher those characters on the 'clock' then you would have deciphered them wherever those same characters appear in whole strings of text. What am I missing? A side note on the numerology from a mathematical perspective. Numerology in base 10 is congruent to modulo 9. E.g. 5+6+1+8=20 : 2+0=2 and 20 mod 9=2. Note that the numerological 9 is congruent to a mod 9 residue of 0. This relationship extends to numerology in any base, e.g. base 12 numerology would be congruent to mod 11. This is not meant to endorse what you claim for the numerology, rather as some mathematical trivia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom O'Neil Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share Posted November 2, 2016 (edited) It seems to me if you can decipher those characters on the 'clock' then you would have deciphered them wherever those same characters appear in whole strings of text. What am I missing? A side note on the numerology from a mathematical perspective. Numerology in base 10 is congruent to modulo 9. E.g. 5+6+1+8=20 : 2+0=2 and 20 mod 9=2. Note that the numerological 9 is congruent to a mod 9 residue of 0. This relationship extends to numerology in any base, e.g. base 12 numerology would be congruent to mod 11. This is not meant to endorse what you claim for the numerology, rather as some mathematical trivia. I need a theme, label or picture and with that I can go about decoding. Otherwise with whole lines of VMS text its just numbers unless we find a manuscript or book which the numbers have equivalence. There is no way I can do it unless we have a key for that. The Sun would represent some timing device and I'm sure you have heard of sun dials. Edited November 2, 2016 by Tom O'Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Tom, we are still waiting for you to explain your method. Imagine, for example, that I have just found volume 2 of the manuscript, and that we can assume the author used the same encryption. How do I read it?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrKrettin Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 DrKrettin I suggest you open your mind to that possibility in which old parchment was used. And if Dee had 630 ducats at the time he is a likely suspect Author of the VMS. I suggest you open your mind to the difficulty in obtaining 100-year-old parchment which was previously unused. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Why would he do that anyway? Anticipating 15th century carbon dating? You still have not responded to my question about what his son said: "In addition, Dee stated that he had 630 ducats in October 1586, and his son noted that Dee, while in Bohemia, owned “a booke…containing nothing butt Hieroglyphicks, which booke his father bestowed much time upon: but I could not heare that hee could make it out.” " This strongly suggests that even his own son thought that his father could not decipher the manuscript, i.e. he did not write it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 I need a theme, label or picture and with that I can go about decoding. So your method is: guess what the picture is, make up some numbers for the Voynich symbols and then look for a numerological (i.e. meaningless) coincidence that matches your guess. Otherwise with whole lines of VMS text its just numbers unless we find a manuscript or book which the numbers have equivalence. And that is exactly why numerology is nonsense: you have turned it into a one-to-many mapping and so there is no uniques translation or decoding as you claim. There is no way I can do it unless we have a key for that. And that is what is required to claim that you have decided the language of the Voynich manuscript. Guessing what some pictures are doesn't really count. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Proposal: Lock the thread Reasons: Tom is incapable of clearly explaining his method. As far as his method can be understood it appears to be claptrap. We are now going in circles. And, the most important, daily exposure to the thread is increasing my blood pressure to dangerous levels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaynos Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 Proposal: Lock the thread Reasons: Tom is incapable of clearly explaining his method. As far as his method can be understood it appears to be claptrap. We are now going in circles. And, the most important, daily exposure to the thread is increasing my blood pressure to dangerous levels. ! Moderator Note I agree. I thought we were getting somewhere with efforts at some of Strange's questions. I was wrong. Do not reintroduce this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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