Somebody ask Saint Paul since they were saved, that they were perfect, Paul replied, no one is perfect, the body and beliefs are sinful. Question, how can we have both sin and be saved at the same time? curiousone

Edited January 25, 20169 yr by curiousone

how can we have both sin and be saved at the same time? curiousone

Because both are a matter of perception.

Somebody ask Saint Paul since they were saved, that they were perfect, Paul replied, no one is perfect, the body and beliefs are sinful. Question, how can we have both sin and be saved at the same time? curiousone

Maybe you should simply ask your local friendly neighbourhood priest. They should have thought about questions like this, or at least be able to give you the 'party line' on the subject.

Your first flaw is assuming that scripture and various other religious teachings must be valid and internally consistent. Abandon that and you begin to see it for what it is.

Paul's a cult leader. Don't trust them.

Somebody ask Saint Paul since they were saved, that they were perfect, Paul replied, no one is perfect, the body and beliefs are sinful. Question, how can we have both sin and be saved at the same time? curiousone

 

Maybe Paul lied. Or didn't know what he was talking about. Or was just mistaken. Or mistranslated.

I've always thought that part was very clever. It takes away your ability to get back into God's good graces except through the Savior. Nothing you could rationally, naturally undertake to make up for your "sins" is acceptable (repay what you stole, fix what you broke, work for the family of someone you injured, etc). Instead you have to believe wholeheartedly in the child sacrificed for you by his father.

 

I guess the clever part comes in selling it to the masses. "You can't possibly have any doubts about God's plan for you, could you? Only a sinner would reject the teachings of Jesus, but you're a sinner regardless and there's nothing you can do to save yourself except let [fill in the blank] interpret the Bible for you. Anything bad that happens to you is because you strayed from what [fill in the blank] told you."