atinymonkey Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 Hades said in post #147 : so thats how san fran convinced congress.... Trying to pin down the sole cause of homosexuality is akin to choosing one reason that i like television. My point was not overpopulation causes homosexuality, it is just an effective population control. YT2095 said in post #149 :it would interesting to know what percentage of gay men were breast fed (or not) against the rest of the hetro population? just an idea YT, waits for barrage of hate mail again *sigh* Most of that research is based around the Oedipus complex, and isn't seen to have an affect on gender preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 atinymonkey said in post # : Most of that research is based around the Oedipus complex, and isn't seen to have an affect on gender preference. evidence please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hades Posted February 20, 2004 Share Posted February 20, 2004 atinymonkey said in post # :Stop the malfunction before it saves the human race from self destruction. I understood your meaning, i just happened to read that after hearing about San Fran's breaking gay marriages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 YT2095 said in post #152 : evidence please? Ok, be sure to go off and read it all. Don't come back until you have, ok? Evidence, click here Hades said in post #153 :I understood your meaning, i just happened to read that after hearing about San Fran's breaking gay marriages Yup, just keeping it very clear for everyone. No offence ment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 atinymonkey said in post # : Ok, be sure to go off and read it all. Don't come back until you have, ok? Evidence, click here lol, that`s got absolutely nothing to do with gays and/or studied done as to who were breast fed or not between the different types of people! secondly, I`ll come and go as I please, read what I wish to and ignore what I wish to, permission from YOU is not a requirement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 YT2095 said in post # : lol, that`s got absolutely nothing to do with gays and/or studied done as to who were breast fed or not between the different types of people! Ok, try this link:- Click here for a more detailed search. secondly, I`ll come and go as I please, read what I wish to and ignore what I wish to, permission from YOU is not a requirement! Oh jesus. You've shattered all my illusions. I thought I had complete control over your mind, that I'd broken your free will. What a fool I've been. At least your sense of humor is still entact, eh? Eh? :) oh :) :) this is fun :) gosh :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 atinymonkey said in post # : I thought I had complete control over your mind, that I'd broken your free will. LOL, If I haven`t mannaged to do that myself after 37 years, you`ve got no chance old pal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstarjaiden Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 lets not be so hostile people, it's a forum... not to mention the fact that opinions and theories are like a holes...everyone has one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 ok then hun, just for you, I`ll behave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockstarjaiden Posted February 21, 2004 Share Posted February 21, 2004 good. thank you as far as homosexuality goes though, ladies and gentle men... so far it isn't considered a clinical disease because some gays are proud of it. and that's great. i say as long as your happy who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasori Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 Rockstar, well put. Back in post 60, YT said: tell me also, why so many "slurs" or nasty comments based around gays?surely there`s a reason! we certainly don`t hear "stop being such a normal man" or "that idea is SO hetrosexual" why is that I wonder? For one thing, it is a person's desire to be "accepted." There are millions of people out there who won't share things about themselves for a fear of being 'exiled'. I've noticed that among nearly all Americans, there are two things that no one cares about when someone abuses another for it. First and foremost, it's homosexuality. At a near second is fatness and/or obesity (whichever you prefer to call it). You'll notice that there's just a select few people who will step in for someone being attacked, verbally or physically, for one of those reasons. It is common in both adult and child, and is, to me, unacceptable. On a side note, a few posts early on mentioned how more and more people are admitting to homosexuality. They said that it was because it was an option. 10% of all humans are homosexual, as was mentioned before. More come out nowadays because 10% of six billion is a larger number than 10% of 5 billion, 4 billion, 3 billion, 2 billion, etc. As such, more and more people will come out because there are more and more people constituting that 10%. It is simple mathematics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atinymonkey Posted February 22, 2004 Share Posted February 22, 2004 It's not just simple mathematics. The cultural society that has persisted for the past 180 years not only classed homosexuality as illegal until into the 1960's, but also gave the draconian attitude of the lifestyle being deviant. Unless you had huge strength of character, your god given right to love who you choose had to be kept quiet to allow you to live a life outside prison. Look up Oscar Wilde as an example of the persecution that petty minded society adopted. Your right though, there is a very large contingent of homosexuals in society, and there always has been. It’s part of the human condition, and defines the society in which we live. That we live with homophobes, racists, sexists, bigots, and religious zealots etc is just a symptom of the more unhealthy traits of humanity. People won’t accept what they don’t understand and find it remarkably easy to hate. Acceptance is not a natural state for society, but you can help work against that by trying to be more accepting on your own. We all, to a degree, have traits that are undesirable; the trick is to recognise them and deal with them. Trying to justify reasoning for bigoted views is just puerile naïve undeveloped tosh. The natural state when someone points out a failing is self-denial and public denial. Nobody likes to be wrong, you see, and even fewer would let themselves admit they have homophobic views. That’s why threads like this carry on for so long, against common logic. Ho hum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjbowlin Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 Navajoeverclear; My opinion is that human sexuality is on a kind of slidescale, it is not an either/or condition. Males that exibit female behavior and vice-versa can be seen in a many instances, not solely in sexuality. These variations may be subtle or not, however, like in our political views, society has provided/enforced only two dominant catagories. Though Physicaly we are built with one given sex (with the exception of hermaphrodites) Mentaly we may be built with more variation. It is possible these mental differences are a natural counterbalance to overpopulation, thereby necessitating there exixtance in society. My source is poor, but I seem to remember a pbs/discovery channel special that stated many animals have as high as 10% homosexual members. Furthermore I doubt that all homosexuality is caused by trauma, though it may be a contributing factor for some. Hope this helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted February 25, 2004 Share Posted February 25, 2004 There's definitely a lot in that slidescale idea - people tend to confuse gender identity issues with the expression of either/or sexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavajoEverclear Posted April 22, 2004 Author Share Posted April 22, 2004 thanks for that input RJ (theres probably stuff from other people, but i don't have time to read it all). That makes sense- Biologically there are no moral rules, or even any absolutes (maybe not exactly true, but you know what i mean anyway), but to fit into the fabricated construct of society we have to choose pretend that clear cut answers and choices actually exist. So 'homosexuality' is just the result of a biological variation. Obviously biology doesn't actually correlate with social conditions, but then we have to make a choice what to express with what makes sense to us, so the variation rounds off into saying someone is strictly one thing or another (this would go with many other psychological and social conditions besides sexual orientation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Exactly Navajo - Biology is completely immoral. It does not care that the best way for an organism to spread it's genes results in large numbers of it's members never breeding. Evolution does not care that the very processes that it is made of, natural selection and mutations result in painful death and miserable existances. Nature is truly a heartless beast, but stunningly powerful and equally beautiful and hideous in it's results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainMan Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 Humans are biological creatures. Humans are (or can be) moral. Ergo, biology is not completely immoral. And don't give me that "culture" crap, because culture is a biological phenomenon like any other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radical Edward Posted April 22, 2004 Share Posted April 22, 2004 I think you are straining definitions there. Biology does not care if organisms are moral or not, even if Biology is in some ways the source of morality (through game theory), and morality is evolutionarily benificial to certain species. The processes of mutation and natural selection do not care if nasty things happen, whereas we do. Besides, humans are a slightly odd case, since we are memetically driven, and morality is just another meme. Does the most successful meme care if it is a moral one or an immoral one? Is the meme of morality simply defined by whichever memeplex wins out? Looking around the world, and through history, that certainly seems the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kbzon59 Posted July 4, 2004 Share Posted July 4, 2004 A couple of things: While maybe 10% of the population could be gay, i think you should realize that the percentage is queite different in different countries: while maybe in the USA 10 or so percent of the population may be coming out of the closet, in Mexico or some other country lije Iran, China or so, the percentage will be much lower. i know what wou will say: that the percentage of men accepting their homosexuality does not have anything to do with the percentage of men who are actually gay. I disagree; in USA, being gay is more of an option, in other countries, being gay is just something that happens. About the jokes, they exist for two reasons,mainly: a)people fear those who are different. After a while, fear turns into jokes. Hence, jokes about jewish, polishi, blondes (no fear on this one), black people (in preslavery days). and b) many of them are funny!!!!!!!! By the way I am not homophobic or anything like taht. I am not homosexual either. I defend everybodies right to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aardvark Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 I think biology is ammoral rather than immoral. But that doesnt mean that our morality couldnt have a biological basis, if a system of morality encourages biological success, for instance by reducing murders, then it would be a useful biological adaptaion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 By the way, since this gets thrown around alot, what makes people say 10% of people are gay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted July 5, 2004 Share Posted July 5, 2004 The 0.002% of people who are statasticians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshal Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 I'm against homosexuality first because it's against our human nature. Also because it's bad for you because it leads to Aids. It also lessens the human population not letting woman and man reproduce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iNow Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 I'm against homosexuality first because it's against our human nature. Also because it's bad for you because it leads to Aids. It also lessens the human population not letting woman and man reproduce. Meshal, I'm sorry, but you just bumped a six year old thread merely to put your own ignorance and misinformation on display. It is not against human nature, and such a claim is meaningless. My argument is supported primarily by the fact that there is a huge biological component to our sexual preferences. This is supplemented by the fact that other non-human animals ALSO engage in homosexual activity. Right there it becomes clear that suggesting it's "against human nature" is both ignorant and wrong. Next, you claim that it "leads to AIDS." Again, no, I'm sorry... you are misinformed. Unprotected sex, the sharing of intravenous needles, blood transfusions, and being born to a mother herself HIV positive are the only ways to transmit. One's sexual preference does not factor into this at all. Getting AIDS is not a result of sleeping with a partner who has the same genitals as you... It's the result of sleeping with, sharing needles with, getting blood from, or being born to an individual themselves HIV positive... regardless of their genital make-up. As for lessening the population, that too is mistaken. Individuals get pregnant and have children all the time without having intercourse. There are families who see fertility specialists and get artificially inseminated, and homosexual families are able to do the same. Given these facts, it's plain to see that homosexual individuals can, in fact, reproduce. Further, our population is growing at a rate which this planet is struggling to sustain, and our human nature is causing us to do so in a way which causes quite a lot of detriment, so your argument about population impact fails on that front, as well. In short, people who choose not to reproduce are perhaps the most responsible given our current circumstances. Listen... I can appreciate being misinformed about a topic, but what you've said above is actually rather sad. If you have questions, then please ask them. There are a lot of intelligent and helpful people who participate at this site. However, I beg you... I implore you... Please explore the facts of these issues and ensure you understand them clearly before again offering posts like the one you did above. It's okay to be wrong, but it's not okay to stay wrong once corrected. Request thread closure from the staff. This is going no where good, and it's six years old anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringJunky Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Meshal This forum exists to explore the Truth supported by evidence or clear logic and not according to some belief system that has arbitrarily chosen some aspect of human nature to be immoral behaviour. People's beliefs are respected here but not when they offend others...gay people are welcome here and are treated as equals. They are great people to correspond with if only you would open your mind ...please temper your future words to reflect that or refrain if you can't. As I iNow says, you have a great information resource at your disposal but respect for our differences is mandatory and is the only humane way to be. I hope you agree...welcome to the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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