22 hours ago, joigus said:

Sorry I mentioned fantasy. My point was one of logical consistency. I think the story as far as it goes, is logically consistent and does not require an infinite loop in time, which would also be logically consistent, but at variance with the narrative.

I'm not that terribly interested in what ChatGPT has to say about it at this point. That doesn't mean I'd be terribly surprised if it got it right either.

Isn't that the Achilles heel of AI, in fiction, the logical paradox?

1 hour ago, dimreepr said:

Isn't that the Achilles heel of AI, in fiction, the logical paradox?

Can you give me an example?

9 hours ago, joigus said:

Can you give me an example?

Name me something unnameable... 😀

21 hours ago, joigus said:

Can you give me an example?

Isaac Assimov, I can't remember the specific novel, but a rogue robot (edit-with one of the 3 law's switched off) was shut down by a logic loop paradox. I think it may have been 'I Robot'.

Edited Tuesday at 11:53 AM1 day by dimreepr

35 minutes ago, dimreepr said:

Isaac Assimov, I can't remember the specific novel, but a rogue robot (edit-with one of the 3 law's switched off) was shut down by a logic loop paradox. I think it may have been 'I Robot'.

An example from fiction tangential (at best) to the discussion, because it’s fiction - the author can say whatever they want. And if the robot was not using a LLM, it’s not relevant.

52 minutes ago, swansont said:

An example from fiction tangential (at best) to the discussion, because it’s fiction - the author can say whatever they want. And if the robot was not using a LLM, it’s not relevant.

What discussion is that, is magic real?

If it's AI, and it's potential, then I think Isaac had a lot of relevance to add.

2 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Isaac Assimov, I can't remember the specific novel, but a rogue robot (edit-with one of the 3 law's switched off) was shut down by a logic loop paradox. I think it may have been 'I Robot'.

I meant from reality. An example that AI might, or will lead to failure by logical paradox. Asimov probably just pictured scenarios that he found interesting exploring within the confines of science fiction narrative, as @swansont pointed out.

I think what people have voiced real concerns about in relation to potential failures in AI goes in a different direction. If we are to believe what people are saying it goes more in the direction of AI agents agreeing some kind of shortcut pseudosolutions to proposed problems so to speak.

3 hours ago, swansont said:

An example from fiction tangential (at best) to the discussion, because it’s fiction

1 hour ago, joigus said:

I meant from reality.

To be fair, he did say "in fiction".

On 9/14/2026 at 8:19 AM, dimreepr said:

Isn't that the Achilles heel of AI, in fiction, the logical paradox?

On 9/14/2026 at 3:47 PM, joigus said:

Can you give me an example?

Yes, you're right. That kinda confused me. In fiction, anything the author wishes can become true, can't it? The only boundary being the reader/viewer wishing to buy it for the sake of entertainment.

12 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Isaac Assimov, I can't remember the specific novel, but a rogue robot (edit-with one of the 3 law's switched off) was shut down by a logic loop paradox. I think it may have been 'I Robot'.

Having much admired Asimov and had the pleasure of meeting him on several occasions, could I ask you to stop misspelling his name in that unfortunate way? Anyway, the story is "Liar," and it inspired the conclusion of the famous Trek episode I, Mudd. And you are correct, the short story was in I, Robot.

23 hours ago, dimreepr said:

What discussion is that, is magic real?

If it's AI, and it's potential, then I think Isaac had a lot of relevance to add.

ai was not part of the OP, and if you wish to discuss it (now that it’s been split), you need to specify what form of ai you mean. It’s not much better than just complaining about technology when your TV is on the fritz.

The original comment was about ChatGPT, and I don’t think that was the idea behind the Asimov story or Star Trek episode