Bettina

"theory" in science is much different than "theory" in normal everyday terms. A scientific theory indicates that the idea has lots of supporting evidence to back it up. It's in every science book; common misconception.s

Your statement is correct and I fully accept that, but I also accept that lots of supporting evidence does not set it in concrete. If we ever discover a life form or building blocks on a comet, and I believe we will, things are going to change fast.

I found that link I mentioned. Here it is.

http://www.bazaluk.com/en/01.html

Bettina

Some evidence suggests that this may be true but until we find a planet with conditions similar to ours, it is only a hypothesis while the origins of life on this planet is a scientific theory.

As space exploration continues, I believe it will be found that life was created during the early formation of the universe and once this life was "seeded" thrived on the planets that could support it and is still going on today. The present scientific "theory" of life originating on earth, in my opinion, will be in question. Life evolved from the oceans and I have no doubt that I rode in on a comet.

At one time I had a great link to a great explanation and I will find it shortly, but for now, check this out.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/seta/2002/05/23/stories/2002052300020200.htm

Bettina

Also, who is to say that life didn't start elsewhere in the universe and we simply rode in on one of the thousands of comets that helped create our oceans. Which, by the way, is what I always believed.

Bettina

your definition of "life" is incorrect. in your definition, a single death constitutes the destruction of "life." In the definition of this thread life is all species and organisms as a whole. Using your definition, my fingers typing on this keyboard are technically destroying life in the form of bacteria. In essence, you are arguing with the wrong foundation.

I don't believe I was incorrect, but the point is moot now that the title has changed.

Bettina

It matters not now.....the title of the thread has changed which messes things up. So my answer to the NEW question is NO.

Bettina

Helllo Bettina, ive skimmed over your story a bit here. i am also an empath so i understand what your going through, though mine doesnt react as strongly as yours usually. I hope you dont stay on medication too long, the docs tried that on me and most of the other empaths i know and it doesnt work at alll, rather it is more a matter of learning control which can be quite difficult. I hope you will continue to post your progress. You are not alone.

Thanks...Its nice to hear from someone going thru what I go thru. It has been quiet for awhile, I've been running a lot now and it seems to help.

The physiciatrist is done with me. She admits I am highly emotional, highly intuitive, and in her words "have a superior skill at reading others peoples emotions". She says I have the characteristics of PTSD but doesn't fully understand the results she gets.

So, she is sending me to a Physcoanalyst friend of hers. She won't show me what she has on me, and is forwarding the paperwork to the other guy.

I have to stay on the meds until the new guy determines otherwise. This is getting very boring for me to spend 45 minutes just talking about life. I knew she wasn't going to be able to help me and I was right. The meds don't do anything for me except in the beginning they made me feel different. Now they seem to do nothing.

I know what I am.....(and she never used the word once and neither did I) its just that I don't think they have a way to stop it...and I would like to stop it. I'm frightened being inside other things. I just want to be inside me.

I'm on a teen depression forum, and a Physco online forum, but neither of them are any help. The teen one is full of pill poppers. Not for me.

One thing I will admit though, the last two girls that got killed, didn't get to me like the others, but then...they didn't suffer either.

Bettina

Dang.....I missed all this

Bettina

That does not settle it. The original question was...."does environmental damage destroy life or change it? What do you think?"

Environmental damage IS destroying life, and if unchecked, humans will die. That is destroying life. There will not be enough time for mutations to occur for humans. Yes, bacteria can live in swamps, but your a human.

Bettina

If the environmental damage continues at its present rate, and I believe it will, it will eventually destroy lower forms of life first, which in turn kills animals, which in turn will end up affecting and killing humans. Life will not have had enough time to adapt or mutate into forms that will be able to tolerate the new conditions.

Its sad that my country considers it just a nuisance rather than look at it for what it really is.

Bettina

I looked here too and they claim the universe is flat. So, can it still be spherical but so large that it looks flat? I'm just having a hard time imagining an explosion of space not being spherical in shape at the beginning.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101shape.html

Bettina

I read it....and the answer is.....they don't know yet.

Bettina

Help me to understand this. If the universe was created from a big bang, how could it be other than spherical? I don't understand how it could be flat.

Bettina

Hey!....You are not a moron. I respect you and enjoy reading your comments, and don't let the refferal number bother you. YT has been here 2 years and only has 2. Its just a number. Cheer up! You are respected.

Bettina

question: were you molested? you seem pretty strong in your beliefs. if you were not' date='then where does this conviction come from? accepting others ideas without first hand experience is kinda like peer pressure isnt it? if you were molested,then im sorry for you. if not,stop acting like you are an authority.

 

"Since when is a pedophile worried that the Aoc laws are unfair for teenagers. Teens have been having sex since the dawn of time. We can do it safely and secretly too. Parents aren't smart enough to catch us, so please save your "Aoc laws are unfair to teens" speeches. We don't need you. The only reason you want them changed is to benefit you....the middle aged adult."

 

how arrogant! pedos think the AOC laws as they currently stand are unfair to all. we need laws to protect kids,yes,but the current laws are bunk. its the AOC laws and peoples fear and ignorance about sex that force you to sneak around and keep secrets from your parents!(POINT!) pedos want the laws changed to benefit kids first(look up youth liberation movements). this includes other laws like working,owning property,and voting as well as sex. some kids are not ready for these things,but others are. again,when i say kid,im not refering to a 4yr old. furthermore,our nation has gotten so hysterical that they are putting kids in jail now for having sex,even when the kids are teens and close to the same age. after all,if you are a horny 14 year old and you have sex with a 13 year old girl,it must mean someone molested you,right? hormones and an oversexualized society dont have anything to do with it. you are a victim,and you are raping the 13 yr old girl and making her into a victim. now you both need lots of expensive therapy so you can be a nice little "survivor" and come to realize how wrong your actions were...

its obvious you have been well trained. i equate hostility with fear. change is scary. change is also inevitable...

 

 

pariah---who is kicking himself for being baited back again. lol[/quote']

 

Since you asked me a direct question, I feel obliged to answer.

 

Thanks for calling me arrogant Since in other threads you have called people hypocrites, racists, dumb, stupid, irrational, misinformed, and a host of other names too, I feel like one of the gang now. Anyway, No, no pedophile molested me.

 

You ask where do my convictions come from? How about the pedophile priests that have abused countless children who are starting to come out and those that are still too ashamed to. How about the last four girls killed were done by child lovers, pedophiles, child molesters or whatever their calling themselves now. How about the security cameras in malls that have caught pedophiles feeling kids. Tell me how to spot a "good" pedophile please so I won't have to worry.

 

And as for your comment "its obvious you have been well trained" I want to say thanks again. Yes, I've been well trained. Its called "moral upbringing" and I thank my dad for teaching me right from wrong that I carry with me every day. Also, your correct about our nation becoming hysterical. But thats because they see little kids stolen from their bedrooms, malls, and front porches that make them this way.

 

And Hostility? Honestly, look in the mirror......and forget about the change you are looking for. It will never happen as long as there are moms and dads that care.

 

And Choral.....Your compliment meant a very great deal to me. Thank you very much.

 

Bettina

This is my closing statement for this thread.

The question posed by the opening thread, was "What is a pedophile" and since then, a bunch of different opinions have surfaced to try to convince us that the medical definition is not really acceptable and that they are simply "boy/girl lovers" who are harmless and much different than the stigmatized version. Don't you believe it. I may have come a long way in understanding the pedophile than when I first posted in this thread, but understanding and accepting are two different things. The intent of the pedophile is still correct which I can break down in four groups, three of which have posted in this thread.

Group one consists of pedophiles who have not posted here. They are those who know what they are, are morally ashamed, and keep it in complete control. He will live out his entire life without anyone being the wiser. He does not engage in any private or open display of sexual affection of a child. He could, for example be my father, and I would never have known and I don't consider this pedophile a threat to anyone and he should be both respected and commended.

The second type is the one who is content acting out his fantasies in the privacy of his bathroom while looking at kids in underwear from a JC Penney book and most likely will have photos of children in his home. He also knows what he is, and does not want to act out his fantasies in real life for fear of getting caught and having his name in the paper, but also does not want to

hurt anyone. A pedophile with a soul perhaps. He is also not a threat.

The third type is the one who plays kissing games with his nieces or nephews. He interacts with kids from his daughters or sons slumber or birthday parties. He will befriend kids in his neighborhood, hosting parties, etc. If he can, he will have kids on his lap, rubbing and caressing. He will try to get a cheap feel now and then and will seem very loving and likes being with children. Touching children is good enough to satisfy his desires but he is very much a threat.

The last type is the one who wants to have consensual sex with a little kid. He goes as far as trying to find groups of young kids who have similar interests and you will hear them arguing that the Aoc laws are too strict and strive for a world where 8 year olds are legal. They argue that the Aoc laws are unfair to teens, but in reality are thinking of themselves and themselves alone. Since when is a pedophile worried that the Aoc laws are unfair for teenagers. Teens have been having sex since the dawn of time. We can do it safely and secretly too. Parents aren't smart enough to catch us, so please save your "Aoc laws are unfair to teens" speeches. We don't need you. The only reason you want them changed is to benefit you....the middle aged adult.

What about teen pedophiles? I don't know, but to me a 13 year old who fondles a 4 year old needs serious help....not jail. When I speak of a pedophile, I'm speaking of a grown man or women. An adult pedophile who should go to jail if caught.

While I write this, I can place myself in the body of a 7year old child . I am sitting on the lap of a person I trust and like very much. He may be my favorite uncle. He buys me gifts, and tells me that I'm his favorite girl of all time and that he loves me very much. I can feel his hands rubbing my legs as he kisses me on my neck. He is loving and tender, and as I lay there on his lap, his hand edges up my thigh so I take his hand and place it between my legs and he allows me to do this. I am experimenting and he is taking advantage of that fact.I like what he is doing and it feels good. What I don't realize is that I'm in the hands of a pedophile child molester and I am being molested. I don't know what molesting is because I've never heard the word before and I don't realize the implications. All I do know is that it feels good and he isn't hurting me. I don't realize yet that he's robbing me of my normal childhood memories.

The pedophile will post his thoughts trying to convince people that this is the modern age, and sexuality begins at birth. He will try to convince you that its acceptable in these modern times for adults to have sex with a child. He will try to make you think its both healthy and helpful for the child to learn sex from an adult first. I've heard this called "breaking her in". He will go on to

mention that in bongo bongo, they do this "breaking in" all the time without any lasting affects being noticed on the child.

He will come here and say that it happened to him personally at 3,4, or 7 years old and they enjoyed it so it should be good for the rest of the kids. He will tell you sometimes that the 8 year old "knew what she was doing" when she snuggled up and touched the 35 year old adult. That it was she or he that initiated the sex act. I even heard pedophile priests make that claim. He will also post sites that agree with his convictions as proof that this is acceptable. The list of excuses that pedophiles have to support there lust for little kids are endless.

So, the answer to the original question is always the same. The pedophile is a person who has recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children age 13 years or.... as posted here..... as low as 7 years old. Some, will keep it buried, but some will act it out and like I said, I understand the pedophile now and I do sincerely empathize with them, but my first instinct is to protect the little kids, and I for one, will never accept the practicing pedophile as anything less than what they really are....Child molesters.

To all you parents who have children, keep those Aoc laws where they are, watch your children at the playgrounds, keep telling them the difference between right and wrong and where they should not be touched, tell them to scream out loud and kick if they are ever grabbed, never to get talked into going anywhere with strangers, and don't let the scorpions convince you that

they mean no harm.......its what they do.

Bettina

I'm having network problems, so I haven't been able to reply much, but I will make my feelings known soon.

Meanwhile, I want to say that some of the pedophiles here are losing credability fast by showing their true colors and intent....and its made me puke several times. I tend to do that when there is a character clash.

Bettina

I still wish to know the ill effects adult/child sex has had on children (obviously not those who were subject to rape but to consensual sex), also on what basis people think adult/child sex is immoral and indeed their definitions of morals to go with it.

I will answer that question when you tell me what age group you are referring to when you use the word "child". I'll be waiting.....

Bettina

LOL, Bettina! How does it feel to have a scorpion wave his tail at you.

I don't mind, I get them all the time, but I know what the implications are. A child does not.

Bettina

I have heard that cracking fingers or knuckles does not cause arthritis' date=' but if you crack your fingers/knuckles very often, are there any other adverse health effects?

 

Is there any way someone addicted to finger/knuckle cracking can stop it?[/quote']

 

My dad does and it drives me nuts. He says its only air that I hear and no damage is done.

 

Bettina

Gee, and I came early to get a good seat too.......

When arguing this way you have to keep in mind that there are always risks in life, whatever you do. Just imagine you were in a relationship where your boyfriend didn't want to have sex at the moment (maybe he feels he isn't yet ready for it or he just doesn't want to have premarital sex) - there'd also be the risk that you might just get so horny that you would force him to do it. Or if this doesn't sound realistic, just turn the situation the other way round with the boy forcing you.

You are comparing the exact scenario that I already said you couldn't compare. teen on teen vs adult on child. We are both old enough to know the consequences. Its not in the same category as adult on child.Its not the same thing.

But would you really do that to someone you love? I think it is very unlikely. Yes, you never have absolute 100% certainty in life, but that doesn't mean that you are in imminent danger of seriously doing harm to someone, especially someone you love. Actually, I happen to believe in willpower and of course I wouldn't want to hurt someone who is most important to me. How could I live with that afterwards?

Again, you can't make the comparison, but to answer it, If I loved him, and I know he loved me, and I wanted to have sex with him, I could, and would, make him cave.

Of course you just assume that I would do that anyway. You don't know me and you don't even say I could do that, no, you are just certain I am a "scorpion" and would do it, without any basis for this thesis whatsoever. You just think that's simply the way all pedophiles are (scorpions), but what makes you so sure? I even posted information showing that only 5% of all child sexual abuse is being committed by pedophiles.

I'm sorry, but the simple fact is that by medical definion a pedophile is sexually attracted to children. Otherwise he wouldn't be a pedophile. Don't try to slide in "boy lover" to dilute it, because that won't work either.

I mean no disrespect to any of you. I have a changed opinion, but since I can't distinguish who is good or bad, The only logical choice is to group you all together.

Another way. If I reached into a group of Pedophiles, (I have weeded out murderers, monsters, and the like first) and grabbed one of you to babysit a very cute little boy for a week in a remote cabin in the woods, I will have a man who is sexually attracted to children babysitting a cute little boy. How can his parents logically not worry. If I was doing the babysitting, and it was a little boy or girl, the parents would have no worries.

The scorpion is a scorpion and even if I trained some not to sting, I would put them all in the same box before I went to bed. I don't want to offend any of you. I have a new appreciation of what your going thru, but you have to realize that because of what you are, (god given) you have the potential to do harm even though it does not exist now.

Bettina

I want to change this thread a little......

Instead of a guilotine, you are sentenced to death this way....

Suppose you were standing straight up on a flat floor. In back of you was this super thin, fine honed, surgical steel blade mounted on a pendulum. When the pendulum was released, it picked up quite a bit of speed before entering the back of your neck. The cut was so clean that little blood was noticed and the pendulum lost very little velocity as it exited out the front of your neck with no blunt trauma associated with a guilotine. Your head, though completely severed, is still on your body and has yet to fall. (pretend it will slide off, and assume no blood transfer from the body to the head)

Would you see the pendulum moving away from you?

Would you "know" what has happened?

How long will you be capable of knowing?

Just curious

Bettina

That was really lame. I must admit I thought it was going to make a point' date=' until the last line. SFN = science fiction network? Really Bettina, that was neither particularly thought provoking NOR deep. Just because you worded it like a parable, doesn't mean there's earth shatteringly philosophical undercurrents to it. Just because Leonard Nimoy read it in an all-knowing voice.

If the scorpian was head over heels in love with the donkey he would find it impossible to bring himself round to stinging him.[/quote']

Sorry you didn't see my point. So....let me get this straight. Your saying if the pedophile has a trusted relationship with a little boy, then falls "head over heels in love" with him, he won't have sex? How do you know this.

 

What about my standard.

 

One thing you keep talking about is this risk factor - what if, what if. Well, the truth of the matter is that varying degrees of risks are there for everybody, for everything. The same arguments you are using against us could equally effectively be used against you in reverse. You say "If you lose control" I say "If a boy loses control with you", you say "I can't believe that you could befriend a little boy, the very thing that some part of you wants to love and have sex with" I say ditto.

Not the same argument. With me, it would be two same age teens who KNOW THE RISKS. I could point that out to him or make him back off. I can reason with him why its not the right time. The other way it would be the ADULT who knows the risk, but the little boy doesn't. He may not know what is right and could easily be talked into believing it is.

But, to go further, say the boy and I do have sex. It will not hurt me mentally or MORALLY.

It's when you got to "I believe you could and would take advantage" that I really pricked up my ears - it's that would. Why is it that you feel able to make such an accusatory assumption? I'll tell you why, although I needn't as it's been said so many times before. It's because you've been conditioned to believe that sex is all paedophiles live for. If an adult and a child have sex, and they both enjoy it, what are the chances you will hear about it in a good light? Let's just say it's very very slim. And the inverse? High. You hear of it on the news, in the papers. Since birth you've been told, paedophiles want to have sex with and hurt children. It is no wonder that you err on the side of caution now. What you seem to conveniently forget is that as we speak, thousands upon thousands of paedophiles are working in the positions you dread them getting - working with and forming very close yet sexually abstinant friendships with underage children. Compare this with the number of cases of kiddie rape you hear about.

 

Yes it happens, but see the second paragraph up. There is no point arguring that there is a risk, because of course there is - one immdiately comparable to every other situation. Sounds cruel, almost too down to earth, and yes of course I wish with all my heart that it wasn't like that, but that's the way things are.

 

When Sayonara reopened this thread, I thought he was a jerk. But now, I know he wasn't. By reopening it, I got a feel for what the pedophile is going through and I have said so. I really do feel bad for you. I have come a long way from calling you a (self censored) and I am learning.

 

But if someone can show me data that its ok to mix wolves and baby sheep then I will change my mind. Maybe it happens, but not as the norm and stop trying to compare teen vs teen, adult vs adult, with adult vs child. It doesn't work...at least not in my school.

 

I'm sorry you feel threatened. It was not my intention.

 

Bettina

As I said before, it is not only about sex. When you are looking for a boyfriend, is sex really the most important thing for you? It can still be very rewarding to have a deep friendship with a boy or just be around boys and enjoy the time with them. After all, seeing a boy's smile is one of the best things on Earth. But I guess, that' just not that easy to understand for people who don't feel that way.

No....sex is not the only thing. I enjoy being with boys AND girls, but your analogy is not the same. If I hang around with a 17 yr old boy, who is my friend, there is no way I'm going to have sex with him because the "sexual attraction" is not there. Also, If for some strange reason I lose control and have sex with him (haven't yet) then morally (by teen standards) I have done nothing wrong. Apply this to you, and it would be adult on child which is morally wrong by any standard.

I'd just want to get to know a single boy and develop a friendship with him.)

Do you see where I'm coming from? You already want just a single boy....not girl.

Well, of course, how should you read about the scoutmasters who haven't molested the very boys they are teaching?

That would not be interesting enough for the news and also, no one will know that those scoutmasters are pedophiles, I guess. So one can't really make a statement about how many pedophile scoutmasters molest their scouts. Yes, there are some, but there are also people with other sexual attractions who commit crimes... what does it tell us?

I can't believe that you could befriend a little boy, the very thing that some part of you wants to love and have sex with, and become his friend and mentor without risk. Thats risk without a safety net. And without that, should a situation arise where you are alone with him, and he snuggles up to you, I believe you could and would take advantage. If you lose control the boy is damaged and please don't come back and tell me about willpower. That won't work for me.

Bettina

In addition to the attraction' date=' I feel a desire to fulfill something of an older brother or father type role for boys (and to a somewhat-lesser degree, children in general). I feel a yearning to protect and mentor them.

[/quote']

 

You have defined yourself as a man who is sexually attracted to little boys as described below in the medical definition.

 

Medical definition: A person who has "recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (age 13 years or younger)." Some pedophiles prefer males, others prefer females, and some are aroused by both males and females." Pedophiles do not necessarily act on their desires.

 

Why would you want to be a "scoutmaster" and be in the company of the very thing you yearn to have sex with. I just don't get it. If I were you, I would want to work in a senior center or something. Why do you want to tempt desire.

 

I can see no good in doing this. You have the capability of losing control with the temptations directly in front of you. I'm trying to be nice here and give you the benefit of the doubt, but I see a scorpion. An example, is that I've read about scoutmasters that have molested the very boys they are teaching.

 

If I had a say, I would not allow you to do this.

 

Bettina