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Which page, specifically? If it’s easier, you can just share the source material / citation the author used in support of this claim you say they made: … so that way I may review the original source material directly myself. “Go read this book” isn’t good enough here. Alternatively, perhaps we can BOTH save some time by acknowledging that this book you keep spam pimping across various posts maybe has nothing to do with the conversation we are having about whether human nature is good or bad. We can maybe acknowledge it’s unhelpful as a response to my question regarding how many positive examples it would take to change your mind and convince you you’re taking too grim a view by concluding human nature is fundamentally bad.

You also appear familiar with having a very thin skin and behaving in a mercurial manner.

It depends also on how one defines science. Some like me (and I suspect Genady) see it as a process of making provisional models of the cosmos and how it behaves, but in a manner that minimizes our human bias. Others (and I suspect Steve may be in this camp) tend to see it as a collection of cool facts that will “Wow!” crowds and kids and maybe if we’re lucky get engineered into the world.

We appear to be aligned then

And yet they remain even when your mind ceases to function or simply is absent The territory doesn’t require the map maker for its existence.

As your desire seems to be elevating negative views over positive examples, tell me how many positive examples it would take to convince you otherwise, specifically regarding the idea that human nature tends daily and in aggregate to be far more good than bad.

Many (most?) humans showed exemplary nature by simply following public health guidance during Covid, minimizing social encounters to help limit contagion, wearing masks properly and over their nose, and getting vaccinated once hard working scientists finally made it ready. Human nature is pretty amazing, except for those parts of our brains which crowd out the positive and amplify and exaggerate the negative.

There is something more, though. One party and their news sources actively pushed back against the science of masking and immunization. Some still are. Those folks died and suffered in far higher numbers. And due to reasons of fragile ego and selfishness / inability to concern oneself with others, Trump was kind enough to take it one farther and spread the virus to the key leaders in his administration and everyone at Justice Amy C Barrett’s coronation ceremony. Last study I saw said almost 900,000 lives saved by masks and something like 2M more which could’ve been saved were it not for that desire to willfully spread ignorance and disinform people as another tribal wedge strategy. It’s not like humans were totally powerless to change the spread. We just concerned ourselves more with hollow notions of freedom than we did with the ability of our neighbors to continue living and how massive a role we each as individuals play in that as a society together. The funny part is that a real capitalist would realize government funded universal healthcare is both cheaper AND more effective than the disgusting grifter filled sludge of a healthcare system the US has today.

We also can’t spend time shopping around for which providers offers the lowest cost and best care after having a heart attack or getting hit by a bus. “Sorry, Ambulance Driver. I know we’re sort of in a hurry here, but let me first please check the ratings of the 27% of doctors nearby who actually accept my brand of insurance as a valid form of payment. I’ll tell you which one to drive me to here momentarily so long as I don’t bleed out first.” Several steps away and there’s neither ladder nor staircase nearby to climb. That’s not a market. That’s a sham.

Happens on mobile, too. The software is buggy and neither proprietary to nor created by SFN (aka: folks here can’t do eff all to improve it)

I agree with others here that contraception access and elimination of poverty are both core to achieving a reduced frequency of abortion, but I came to say EDUCATION itself is even more fundamental. Not just sex education, either… Education. Period. It helps solve all of the other referenced problems concurrently.

Apologies, your question lacked precision.

Insurance markets in shared risk pools. The larger the population of subscribers, the more dilute the risks and costs become to each member. Insurance is an often a private market based system (with exceptions for government sponsored coverages), but even private coverages work by more broadly spreading and sharing risks across larger populations. It’s this shared and spread out risk which might rightly be framed as socialistic in principle. I’m happy to be corrected by the person who raised it.

Sorry, but who are you again? Can’t say I recall any exchanges with you nor anything else about you nor your posting history really, but appreciate the apology all the same. Peace to you and yours

Too bad Science doesn’t care about your feelings (since you like quoting Neil DeGrasse Tyson, that’s another quote from him) It’s hard to understand why you’re struggling with this so much, but there are more than 2 groups. At the very least, there’s male female and other. That’s 3. No physical advantage has yet been demonstrated IINM. This assertion is at the heart of your stance, yet it’s still as of yet unfounded and unsupported. Are not self aware enough to realize just how self-entitled you sound trying to demand that you have any say at all in how OTHER people are and are not allowed to identify THEMSELVES… as if you’re somehow the high arbiter of what’s allowed in context of self-identification in sex and gender? “Sorry, Fred. I know you identify as a man, but I’m here to tell you I see an ovary on your scans so GTFOH with that shit and start calling yourself Lucy, you hypocrite!” If the distinction is arbitrary and rather often inaccurate and unhelpful, why does it matter? What shrine to the past are we protecting by rigidly and steadfastly sticking to outdated categories? Do you also reject heliocentrism bc earth at the center of the universe is just “how it always was for majority of well educated people?” Why don’t you ask the people most effected by this, those who are being excluded and targeted for violence and hatred and rejection and anger for simply trying to authentically be themselves?

More precisely, these persons are reminding others that there never has been a valid definition, that those who suggest otherwise continue offering versions which don’t map on to the reality around us (they miss too many counter examples and ignore large swaths of the population), and that we have an opportunity to stop excluding people based on flawed outdated inaccurate models. Ahh, yes… victim blaming at its finest. We clearly wouldn’t have a massive surge in online hatred and right wing fascism and violence were it not for those evil pesky lefties trying to make progress for marginalized humans. Everything would be fine if they’d just shut their pissanty pie holes. 🙄

I’m gonna re-truth this rn!

Much merit found along this path, as well ✌🏼

Fairly well for some, but not for all. Specifically, not for transgender women. Perspective matters here. Einstein knew it, too. It’s all relative. Yes, the status quo was easy to upkeep. Who cares? The entire point of this thread is how to update it.

I referenced this to him earlier in the thread. It went right over his head.

All of this above, and also sometimes these “poop on the doorstep” and “toilet paper your front yard” hit and run posters have something to prove… literally. Sometimes, these wastes of pot stirring bandwidth are attempting to meet acceptance criteria and gain access to various blackhat style groups elsewhere; private “l33t!” communities where darker less legal things are discussed. Much like the greek college system of pledging fraternities and sororities, sad lonely incel souls like these must first prove they’ve been banned from at least X diff sites like these before being granted entry. So, they come rush through the open front door, shit on the carpet, yell at all the guests and call them dumb, then get told “k-bai.” Voila. Mission accomplished. Sadly, another aspect is trolls and bots being paid by state and nefarious other actors to simply keep everyone mad at each other agitated… regardless of the topic. We’re easier to control and rob from when we’re mad scared and yelling at each other. Also, some just want attention. Probably bc mommy didn’t give them enough as infants. It’s really very… infantile.

I reckon this aligns with how employees at the various companies Elon Musk takes over feel. Sadly for them, they can’t show him the door and on his merry way.

It important IMO to recall the broader context in which this discussion is taking place. Right wing populism is spreading across the world. Voters seem in greater numbers to be supporting fascist tendencies. Books are being banned from schools and neighbors are bloodying each other over simple differences in policy. Racism is up. Jewish community members are being attacked. Behavioral norms are being ignored while untraceable guns and homemade ammunition are being found at insane levels. And also, trans people are being targeted and attacked. Extreme violence. Their elected leaders are using them as scapegoats, setting mobs against them. Telling them which bathroom they are and are not allowed to use despite each of us having unisex bathrooms in each of our homes. Doctors are being attacked for caring for these patients, and schools are adding to ostracization by banning them from sports… or even TALKING about these subjects in states like mine and Florida… 1st amendment free speech rights be damned! Violence, extreme depression, lack of acceptance, and unacceptably high levels of suicide rule the day. It is this backdrop against which we’re discussing some elite sports categories, and I’m here advocating for acceptance and inclusion. Perhaps you see my position as extreme, but then again perhaps more people who think like me need to speak up in support of what’s right to counter the very one-sided nature of the conversation happening on this subject. I used to speak with similar passion in support of gay marriage, and climate change, and evolution… and thankfully I’ve been on the right side of history every time. I encourage you to join me and others here simply saying, “workable solutions to this obviously exist… let’s start with that as our premise instead of starting with bans.” You thankfully are already open to this, but please recall that you’re also not the only person participating in all of this… especially against the aforementioned societal backdrop.

I know you don’t, but I did, which is why I pointed it out. Well, that’s rather extreme. I don’t think I struggle in the way you are suggesting.