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The link between energy and information is very real. All energy is information; so is matter, and everything else that makes up our universe. One of the newest theories has all of the contents of our 4D space-time encoded on the 3D surface of that space-time. One might say "the writing is on the wall" sort of thing. See the Holographic Prrinciple. But again, how do you make the leap from Fibonacci series to clocks and to waves of time ?

I said the set may not be the same. It could be smaller if some black people had not suffered past injustices, or it could be larger if other groups had suffered past injustices also. Why are you so ready to compensate one group for being unfairly treated in the past, but willing to discriminate against any other groups that were also unfairly treated ? Do you not see how that could be considered a racist attitude ? That is why we believe ithe criteria for compensation should be injustice suffered, not race.

Those are deep philosophical questions, but not related to Physics. "What is reality?" We don't know. We build models to 'simulate' the way reality acts. If there's even an underlying actual reality; QM tells us there is no local reality. "Do we live in a simulated universe?" Modern games populate a world/landscape only when the player looks in that direction. Similarly in QM, the wavefunction only collapses when observed/interacted, to yield real results. An uncollapsed wave function is just probability amlitudes in a mathematical limbo. But since we cannot step out of 'reality', we can never tell if we are in a simulation or not, so the whole thought experiment is academic. And I still don't see how this relates to Fbonacci series, clocks and 'waves' of time.

Just in case you missed it every other time I've posted it ... 'Better' is subjective !

Stringy has provided another good idea for mitigating racism. Also, Canada, a nation of 38 Million people, brought in over one Million immigrants last year. How many did the US, a nation with almost 10 times as many people, let in ? At every turn we are accused of not wanting to offer compensation to those who were treated unjustly. On the contrary, we are all for compensating those who have suffered injustices, and many times, that is the same set as those black people who were racially discriminated, but sometimes, it is not. So we are against using race as a criteria. But I have to ask. Whenever we mention/suggest steps that the US could take to mitigate racism and its current effects, we are told "It is unworkable" "It is impossible" "There's no use even trying" Are you guys, then, happy with the status quo ? Do you think racism is an essential part of your America ? ( we've had those questions about reparations put to us for the last 15 pages )

Are you saying that since the 60 numbers arranged around a circle resemble a clock, your mind made the jump to a connection with time, and 'waves of time ? That is way beyond numerology. It is 'seeing' non-existent connections with no basis in evidence or observation. IOW, NOT science.

I could easily agree with such an innocent sentiment if I hadn't heard it so many times from racists. Not implying you are one, but simply, that a racist could offer up the same exact sentiment. ( with a totally different meaning and conclusion ) When people become our friends we tend to lose descriptors of color and race. I don't say I haveblack, or Jamaican friends, nor Indian, Chinese, Cambodian, Korean or Middle Eastern friends. They are simply my friends. Funny how when you get to know people for who they actually are, it suddenly becomes possible to ignore color and race. Maybe it's not such a specious stance as you imagine.

Couldn't agree more ... Numerology run amok.

A sad,embarrassing day for America, having a former President go to jail. But if anyone deserves it, D Trump surely does. Besides, the orange jumpsuit will co-ordinate with the hair.

What exactly, sis I miss ? You implied Jez cannot possibly understand the situation because he never experienced injustices, Yet you have no idea whether Jez had a difficult upbringing, or even if he is a visible minority. You just jumped to conclusions based on your misinterpreting of his posts. From your posting history I get the impression that you hold all of society responsible for your growing up poor, yet you are satisfied with your lot in life, and certainly aren't helping yourself. Try not to be so judgmental of others lest you be similarly judged.

Way to hold others to different standards than yourself. When have you been a victim of the 'system' in the context of this thread ????

So much for the 'explanation'.

I believe he just did So, what's tripping you up ?

Very simply, CharonY, the power imbalance is built into the 'racial' caste system, with some actually having no opportunity at all. "Those at the bottom of the hierarchy, who fall outside the four main categories of Brahmins (priests and teachers), Kshatriyas (warriors and rulers), Vaishyas (traders and merchants) and the Shudras (laborers), are considered “untouchables” or Dalits."

I work with a few Indian engineers, and they are the first to admit India is a very racist society. There was very little power inbalance in the 50s, when the British left, yet there was the 'caste' system in their society that controlled social position. It has led to the current imbalance, as only people of higher caste can become politicians, get advanced schooling, etc. So which do you think comes first ?

This is a science site not a 'beliefs' site. Furthermore, I don't like your attitude. Ignoring people whose ideas distress your sensibilities, suggests you are only interested in preaching your own ideas to the rest of us. That's not what we do here, either. I, and hopefully others, will ignore your posts and questions until you learn basic respect for others' deas and opinions.

No, there are no hidden variables either.

Agree with most of your post except this Power imbalance is a factor, but the larger factor is the inherent racism. Both need to be there to create the different outcome situation of the two populations. Power imbalance is something people work at. They try to better themselves by working harder, to get more money, which in a semi-capitalist society equates to more power. Racism, however, is based on the lottery of birth. You are born with a different skin color, or in another country, and there's nothing you can do to change it. I would think, then, that the factor to be eliminated is racism. But nobody wants to discuss that option.

There is no local reality between interactions that collapse the wave function. Furthermore, there is no non-locality, where any information is tranferred superluminally. Numerous experiments have shown this, and we recently had a very long thread on the subject. I would think someone who professes to have a workable 'theory of everything' would know this.

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No. As usual, your posts make little sense. Makes for a great discussion when you ignore, and won't even consider, alternate viewpoints. Just put me, and Intoscience in ( Stringy too ? ) the ignore list also, and racism in America will be no more. You've never done root cause analysis, have you ?

I give up ! You guys take an analogy meant to simplify things and ease understanding, and make it more complicated than the reality of the situation. Its really not that complicated. Racism exists. The longer it is allowed to go on unchecked, the more people will suffer injustices for which they will need reparations. If you first stop the injustices from happening, you only have to worry about reparations for past injustices. If you first compensate for past injustices, you still have to worry about on-going and future injustices, because you haven't attempted to 'fix' the root cause.

Going back to the example I gave INow 3 hours ago, about the water leak in the basement making your rug have a worse outcome than the rest of your house furnishings, you seem to want to replace the rug with a new one, so it is just as nice as the rest of the furnishings, without first fixing the water leak. Racism is the water leak that produced the bad outcome for the rug, who are black people.( don't 'read ' anything into my analogy choices ) What prevents the same thing from happening again ? Or to anothe piece of furniture ( other group of people ) ? I gave a partial list of suggestions to Phi, which would immediately make things 90% mor fair, and approach Canada and Europe. But all I hear is "It's too hard" "It's bound to fail" So you've given up even trying ...

Before you take sides, look back at the interactions we have had in the last couple of pages. It wasn't me that started it with the patronizing attitude and arguing in bad faith. And no, I haven't run out of arguments; I'm still posting, and realize that a hot topic that people are passionate about, is bound to ruffle some feathers. If he chooses to 'take his ball and go home', that's on him; he's run out of arguments.

tap ... tap - tap-tap ...tap ...tap-tap-tap ... Do you hear that, Mr Anderson ? That is the sound of Logicandreason tap dancing as fast as he can, to avoid answering questions. There is no 'teaching moment' here. Stop giving his arguments air, and he'll go away and bother others.