Intoscience

Agreed, My understanding is that many scientists who do believe in god, believe that god sits outside science, in that science cannot be applied to god, nor should it. So to invoke god in a scientific manner is to assume the machine builder is required for the machine to operate per say, which is not the case.

I've always eaten plenty of veg and a good variety of them, so all good there. Thanks +1 I'm terrible for "over analysing" and I do get obsessed with certain things. I'm sort of an all in or all out sort of person, when I'm in I give 100% but I can soon get despondent upon failure, which is something I need to learn to accept. One of the reasons I participate in forums such as this is because the majority of folk on here are smarter than me, so I hope to learn and improve my own intelligence from it. Thank you for this, This is pretty much what I have read from the actual doctors rather than the fad pushers. I'm doing the 16:8 regular and then throw in a 24 hour one every so often then at the weekend I have one day where I just eat how I feel and in line with my family. I'm not starving myself, but I'm trying to remain strict and consistent without putting myself under too much pressure. As I stated I'm prone to going all out on things and finding myself burned out or disillusioned. The reason I posted this thread is because I want to take a more methodical approach which will give me the results I'm looking for (well as best as possible) that I can maintain for the rest of my life without detriment to my health and wellbeing, but rather improve my health and wellbeing. In addition because I'm seeing some results people have commented, some positive some negative (as expected) but also some have asked on what I'm doing and what advice I can offer them. The last thing I want to do is suggest something that's not helpful or could be harmful! Obsession is something I do suffer with, not particularly my appearance, though this thread may suggest this. It's rather my health and fitness that is my main concern and I have been guilty many times of over doing things. This time I want to keep it simple, consistent and long term.

I haven't once on this thread referenced "trans", maybe you are mixing me up with someone else? I have no problem with sexual identity. My point has been solely focused on what in my opinion is the ridiculous, such as the example I gave earlier where a person complained about calling a black berry a black berry. Thus how far does PC go? Regarding the "bare truth", again you are mis-interpreting, what I'm talking about is actual facts not opinions. The earth is round not flat, you can chose to call it flat, have the opinion that its flat, but its round - fact = bare truth. You are free to have the opinion that "suffer fools" is a misused phrase. You may form the opinion that its offensive, gather enough support you may even get it generally accepted as offensive. Where I come from the phrase is used quite often and has a few meanings. Generally it means that someone is acting up in an unaccepted idiotic way, with the intent to disrupt.

So, I have always been interested in keeping fit and healthy, exercise, diets, food management and the short/long term effects on health. I'm an active person, reasonably athletic and have, in general, kept myself in reasonable shape (though not strictly consistent, and recently due to the covid restrictions). Although I'm quite knowledgeable on exercising and keeping fit through activity etc..., my knowledge of diet and food management is limited to what I've read in popular magazines and the fads of diets etc... over the years. I have maintained what I felt was a reasonable diet though again not strictly consistent. I have also experimented in the past with the odd fad diet, though this has always been short lived as most diets I have experienced tend to be unachievable over the long term and often only result in brief short term results. Cutting to the chase, However, I'm at that "age" now where my body likes to store fat around the mid region, in spite of my efforts to keep it low level I struggle to maintain a trim waist line and I'm also concerned about developing diabetes. So recently I have upped my exercise regime to a level I can maintain (injury or ill health aside) consistently for the foreseeable. But along with this I have been looking in depth at my diet. I don't want to do a fad diet that just gets rid of the fat fast, I want to manage my food in a way that can be consistent and healthy for the rest of my life. I have been looking at intermittent fasting, ketosis (low carb high fat) the types of foods to eat and those to avoid etc... (especially for my age and susceptibility to type 2 diabetes). There seems to be some confliction, since this is big business and people can be easily drawn into fads. I'm currently doing the intermittent fasting along with a low carb - high fat diet, and I'm already seeing some benefits from this. I also feel that I could maintain this life style change quite easily, but my concerns are now for the possible negative effects of my long term health. Do any of you good folks have any views, knowledge and/or experience in this?

No Worries, I don't mind being criticised, that's how I learn, get to understand other points of view and shown my errors when they occur. Understanding my partner's mind is/can be a difficult one. She has often said that she misses her mother because her mother was always brutally honest with her regardless. Yet when I do the same she often lashes out, I guess looking for sensitivity and support. But then when I do show her sensitivity she calls me out and claims I'm just telling her what she wants to hear so not to hurt her feelings. But the point to all this, and I think it's relevant to this thread, is that sometimes you can't win with some people. You make a statement that is brutally honest based on factual evidence and you get called out for being insensitive, non courteous or worse. But when you deny the bare truth to save someone's feelings you then get branded a liar, or manipulator or worse. Yeah, you can just be the person who sits there and says nothing but where does that get us? stalemate? The art of politics is a difficult game to play. My father is exactly like this ^^^ he gives people a hard time and won't suffer fools, but would put his own life on the line to help or save anyone. Maybe because I have been brought up by a person like this makes me similar in some respects. Though I am more sensitive than my father, because my mother is the polar opposite to him, where a person's feelings is paramount, though she is kind towards people, she is not as generous towards others as my father is. My partner doesn't always work that way, she often sees through the bullshit and gets annoyed at me being so cooperative. I have to be very tactical with my approach.

I agree that one should remain sensitive where possible and there is no need to express your feelings unless asked to. But what then, if someone asks me a question do I answer honestly, even knowing that it may offend, or do I try to be sensitive and considerate if that means lying? The trick, obviously is to answer honestly in a subtle, sensitive and inoffensive manner, however this is not always possible. I wouldn't say I was proud of having or expressing offensive feelings, on the contrary, I would however prefer to stay true to myself. I guess for me personally I often get conflicted, since being honest is important to me be it given and/or received. Being sensitive is also important especially with those I care most for. However, I prefer to be honest and prefer honesty returned at the cost of my own feelings, so be it. Maybe this is my flaw and one I should endeavour to improve on, I'm open to that.

I try to remain honest, in fact I even try to be bluntly honest which often gets me in a spot of bother, especially with my partner when out shopping! Such that she often states that I'm unkind and have no regard for her feelings, maybe she is correct? I think honesty, should prevail where possible, even if that means offending someone in the process. I think this is one aspect that people dislike about JP.

That's on my menu for this evenings dinner - grilled bacon medallions, poached eggs, large field mushrooms, fresh tomatoes, fresh avocado, baked mature cheddar and spinach. My stomach is rumbling as I post this and dinner is 6 hours away yet!!

You have damaged my feelings, or have you? Maybe I am offended maybe not, just being polite and courteous so as not to return the favour? There can be many reasons, depends on your interpretation of what one says that would determine to you whether it be an excuse or not.

Ok, thanks

Call them "ni" for all I care, just don't shout about it... 😉 If no one cares why whine about it then? Excuse for what? For my own feelings?

Would you say that this is the reason why gravity is modelled in 2 ways - spacetime warping and/or particle exchange?

Strawman? I made a genuine remark indicative to my original argument. I often wonder whether people who are keen to cite and make a big deal out of such things, to stir the hornets nest, are just bored. Maybe some folk should stop wasting their precious time and make actual use of it towards something productive, instead of just poking their sticks. You know, my grandfather served and fought in the second world war. He saw many horrors and suffered much pain and anguish. What always struck me though was that he mentioned to me many times, for all the terrible loss, devastation, pain and suffering that war brings, it also brings comradeship, focus, care and commitment to the weak, elderly young and vulnerable... Some of his stories and what he and his generation endured often shamed me into realising how lucky we are and how well off and fortunate we are in modern Western society. So yeah when I hear people whine over calling a black berry a black berry it sort of gets my back up a little.

I rinse my gym bottle out pretty much as stated so far. I do on occasion rinse it with boiling water, the down side being that the plastic goes soft and I have to hold the bottle using a towel. Not sure whether this has any benefit? On the odd occasion I let it soak in detergent for a day or two then give it a thorough rinse out, same not sure if this has any benefit?

No big deal then, it seems people who insist on the ridiculous are doing the same, no? You are kidding right? So I should now be expected to refrain from calling a black berry what it is and has always been referred to, just in case it may offend someone? This is the sort of ridiculous clap trap that fuels people to come up with more and more excuses to point the finger at those that dare speak out, rather than those shying away in fear of being offensive, which has nothing to do with courtesy by the way, but rather, cowardice. Curtesy works both ways, along with respect, equality and acceptance. At least in this thread, we agree on something +1

There is no difference, however your example is not reflective of the point being made. The professor in your example has clear intent. Intent on being subtly racist, purposefully demeaning, until Paul complains (absolutely rightly so!) it may not appear that obvious, which was also the intent. I was focusing more on things that have or originally had, no intent towards harassment, racism or discrimination, but are made to appear to be by the extreme activists. For example - I over heard just the other day in a conversation that someone had made a comment that "black berries" should be re-named as the current term is racist. Should we seriously consider this?

This was the focus of the points I was trying to convey earlier in the thread, though not as obvious and bluntly as you have expressed it. When I have listened to JP this attitude seems to be the vein in which he debates such ideas. However, the argument made against this is, who are we to judge who is delusional, nutbars etc... and what is ridiculous or petty.

My father beat me with his belt strap because I'd swore at my mother. She nursed my sores and swellings better. I never swore at/or in front of either of my parents ever again, or since. At the time I thought my father was very strict and harsh, maybe (at least compared with modern times) he was. As I grew older and then had children myself I slowly realised and discovered that my father was actually a very caring and loving person. I never laid a finger on my own children as punishment, I did however allow them to get "burned" once and a while. I love and respect both my parents and learnt a lot about life from both angles.

Why does there have to be a purpose? Which by I mean - a fundamental purpose. Purposes can be assigned and not necessarily intrinsic to existence. But if we insist on assigning a purpose to life then, My favourite idea is that, the ultimate purpose of life is to evolve so that the universe can experience and wonder on itself.

I don't think we have much different views in reality. I think I probably air on the side of tough over soft and you the other way. But I think we both agree on the end goal, just slightly different paths to it. I can't say if my life experiences are any worse or less than others, including your good self. I don't consider myself to have suffered really bad, I'm alive, I'm generally healthy, I have good friends and a loving family, I earn a decent enough living to get me by and a roof over my head. Regardless of my struggles and adversity through the years gone by, compared to most I see myself as very fortunate . In my mind this is just the way the cookie crumbles and I (hope) have learned from my past experiences good and bad, and appreciate my position in this life. Thank you for an informed and interesting post. I have no comment to make, other than I enjoyed reading this and found your personal experiences interesting. This is one of the things that does irritate me about internet forums. Its easy to form an opinion and then judge a person by how and what they post from which is often mis-interpreted, whether that be due to culture differences or the difficulty in expressing emotion through just words or writing style. I'm very often guilty of all this and then realise afterwards I have fallen into the very trap I try to avoid. However I do enjoy these types of discussions, I like to read and try to understand other people's points of view and experiences. Hopefully I can be educated from this and learn to write better. I don't intend to be either offensive or irritating during these debates.

No not necessarily, I think you ned to experience some pain, like I said its about balance. I don't think we disagree with each other on wanting to improve society and acceptance, I just think we share different views on how to go about it. I think this is also the problem with JP in general. Like I have said previously I don't agree with everything JP states, however I don't think he as any particular agenda other than trying to make society better through education, I guess from his own perspective. Yes it may have evolved into "preaching" or at least the perception of such. But I think this is partly down to the media, his new found fame and other influences (maybe financial). You are quite correct, my empathy runs limited, certainly for what in my opinion is over sensitivity. (yes opinions are like ass holes...) You have formed an opinion on my personality however, based on just a few posts on a thread subject that we share slightly different ideas on. Yet you have no idea of my own personal experiences and why I have such a stance. Though its not arrogance, this is a mis-interpretation, maybe I'm to blame for this, due to the style in which I post.

I was referring to your statement rather than the video - "we've all had our share", "some more than others". In other words life is not fair, but that's just the way it is I'm afraid. He used this phrase on me when he found me whining about something, a little reminder that as unfair as it may seem to me at the time, there is a good chance that's its even less fair for someone else somewhere in the world. Sometimes humility can be a useful lesson.

"Some more than others" as my old pappy used to say

Lessons are learnt from experience, this includes hardship and adversity.

I don't "believe" in God either. However, I would assume that if God does exist then why would/should we presume to know the details? A gold fish cannot and does not have the capacity to know, do... and experience all that we do yet we share a common ancestor. If God sits outside of our "reality" then how can we know anything about God?