Everything posted by TheVat
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Today I Learned
Have no idea what that means. Where I live, having a six-pack is not uncommon in the libation sense. In the other meaning of well-defined abdominal muscles, it's more rare. The first usage tends to cancel the second usage.
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Good dog or bad dog? New study shows that breed isn't really a predictor of behavior
A friend visited Istanbul and mentioned how respected and well integrated into urban life are the stray dogs. What was interesting is the friend is not a dog person, and often seems to provoke dogs to bark as he passes by, and yet he found the Istanbul dogs to be quite friendly, to the point of hanging out with him and allowing neck rubs, ear scratching, etc. I am more a dog person, and can relate to the approach tips offered by @beecee. I was taught those at a young age, and rarely had problems with dogs. I find the simplest way to codify dog etiquette is just to think of them as people. Then you ask the right questions of yourself when meeting a dog, e.g. would I want a stranger to walk up and place their hand on my head without permission? BTW there's a docu on the Istanbul dogs... https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/03/18/istanbul-turkey-dogs-stray-documentary/ ISTANBUL — Forget the majestic mosques and bustling bazaars. Over the centuries, one of the things that has most consistently captured the imagination of foreign travelers to Istanbul has been … the street dogs. “The dogs sleep in the streets, all over the city. … They would not move, though the Sultan himself passed by,” Mark Twain wrote in 1867. Amply documented in both 19th century lithographs and 21st century viral videos, Istanbul’s street dogs can today be found patiently waiting to cross at green lights, hitching ferry rides across the Bosporus, marching with protesters and lapping up leftovers and attention outside sidewalk cafes. Filmmaker Elizabeth Lo, whose documentary “Stray” had its U.S. streaming release earlier this month, is the latest visitor to fall under the spell of the city’s canine cohort. Lo says she was struck by “seeing dogs roaming around freely, living life on their own terms, in this very developed city,” and by the relationship she observed between them and Istanbul’s human residents. “People really see a dignity in the dogs, they see them as fellow citizens, as belonging to their streets and communities,” she says. @Moontanman Plus one for the mental image rendered by "....a ring of barking bassets circling around you is an impressive and frightening thing." Your appraisal of the solo Basset "personality" is consistent with Bassets I've encountered. Haven't met up with a pack of them. I think the palpable air of melancholy could be intense.
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God must have a problem. If not, he would have already solved it all...
When people debate on why a god would do (or fail to do) certain things, I wonder if they should add Ockham's Razor to their toolkit. But kudos for the sober and serious discussion of an Onion article!
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War Games: Russia Takes Ukraine, China Takes Taiwan. US Response?
I am not quite the expert in international law, so there is no future for me telling anyone they are wrong about the legalities. But it is what I've gleaned - that EJK of heads of state, in recent decades anyway, is viewed as illegal and not a lot of flex on that. Apparently there is some flex where terrorist leaders are concerned, when they are defined as stateless. E.g. just because Pakistan harbors you, doesn't mean you have the same protection as the president of Pakistan. Even in situations where a head of state is indicted as a war criminal, they would still have to be extradited (or abducted, depending on one's allegiances) to Switzerland and stand trial. As I said before, throwing out international law and conventions, no matter how tempting, seems a path to chaos and ruin, with a world run by authoritarian warlords. I thought Phi, a couple posts above mine on the previous page, painted a plausible picture.
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War Games: Russia Takes Ukraine, China Takes Taiwan. US Response?
Yes. Plus one. There are good reasons extrajudicial killings (that is, outside of a battlefield and outside of a criminal court) violate international law. And, as your hypotheticals illustrate, one good reason is based in the Law of Unintended Consequences. Not only in terms of who fills the power void in that country, but also in the global erosion of liberal democracy, rule of law, and fair play. You may have understated the chaos and ruin that could come from an open season on heads of state. ETA - and, as @MSC noted, there is always the risk of martyrdom being conferred on the victim of the EJK. There were folks in Lousiana for many years who held the demagogue Huey Long to be a martyr and burnished his halo for decades after.
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Nuclear reactor technical discussion (split form War Games: Russia Takes Ukraine)
Just thinking back to April 26, 1986 today. A son was a few weeks away from being born - I recall the wife and I had a conversation about where our cheese was coming from, but no big concern given that she was scarfing only domestic cheese and downwind countries like Sweden had been pretty proactive about rejecting milk from cows who grazed inside the plume. IIRC, even UK did some bannings of grazing animals in Scotland and other northern stretches. Cesium 137 has a half life of 30 years, so more than half of what rained down in Europe has turned to barium. (probably a cleanup pun in there somewhere). Similar story with strontium 90. When you read about all the accidents and leaking containments around the world (Rocky Flats, Sellafield, Hanford, Ozersk, that salt dome in Germany whose name I can't recall, et al), it seems like Reactor 4 at Chernobyl is nowhere near the top of the list of potential nastiness. What always amazes me is the apparent ecological health in most of the Exclusion Zone, in spite of beaucoup curies in soil and trees and marshes. (sorry to not use the SI unit, but those becquerels are just so tiny that curies makes more sense when you're talking about massive releases of radionuclides) What I find jaw-dropping is places like Rocky Flats, where our DOE has signed off on having a wildlife preserve and allowing families to hike around it. And this in spite of flood events, like 2013, where leach from buried containers has come to the surface and oozed across the land.
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What are you listening to right now?
Poor old Johnnie Ray Sounded sad upon the radio Moved a million hearts in mono Our mothers cried Sang along, who'd blame them? You've grown (You’re grown up!) So grown (So grown up!) Now I must say more than ever (Come on, Eileen...) Come On Eileen was a huge hit in the States when I was in my mid twenties.
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The Ambiguity Thread
It seems as if texting has generally decreased awareness of the uses of punctuation marks like the comma. Just one would have helped that sentence convey its intended meaning (and deprived us of a good laugh). What's funny is the title above that sentence made full use of commas.
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Trolling (split from Quick Forum Questions)
Without getting too far into the assertions made here or elsewhere about AGW, I will say that precise definitions matter greatly if we don't want threads that decay into trollery. The phrase existential threat is a shining example of imprecision. If a conservative uses it to caricature a moderate/liberal position, they may use it to mean complete extinction event, no humans left. This, most climatologists and ecologists agree, is not likely to happen, so the conservative feels they score a point. However, if their interlocutor said existential threat and meant something more like vast social disruption, widespread crop failure and famine especially in the tropics, many deaths from wet bulb temps over 35 C in tropical regions where AC is not widely available, massive wildfires, massive coastal flooding in areas of high population density then they are speaking of threats quite real and not too distant. And quite existential for those most vulnerable by virtue of geography and lack of resources. So any discussion must determine first what such terms mean, and find common definitions. And that can only happen when politics, and wearing team jerseys, is put aside.
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Political Humor
Why don’t atheists do well with exponents? Because they don’t believe in higher powers. "Eight something" got a belly laugh. Not usual with math jokes.
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The Ambiguity Thread
British Left Waffles on Falkland Islands There's a scene from The Meaning of Life which that one calls to mind.
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The earliest known technical manual in English
Chaucer, as in not uncommon with writers, had quite a range of jobs and interests. Comptroller, courtier, diplomatic envoy, forester, philosopher, astronomer. His father was a wine merchant with a royal appointment which probably helped pave the way for his son having such an interesting life and being part of a royal court. Hanging on a wall in my home is a planisphere, which is a modern descendant of the astrolabe. I might look at it, as I read about Chaucer's instrument.
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Star Trek is here: US Navy shoots down drone with a laser.
I often notice ambiguous phrasing and find it very entertaining. Headlines like... Kids make nutritious snacks Miners refuse to work after death Panda mating fails, veterinarian takes over Old school pillars are replaced by alumni ...make me wonder if some languages have a syntactical structure that makes such phrases more common. (For another thread, perhaps)
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Trolling (split from Quick Forum Questions)
https://archive.ph/1dFjp I do. Here's a screenshot of the complete article. In the information ecology of social media, the outrageous and extreme viewpoints are the best clickbait and they prosper. At the expense of reasoning, depth, and equilibrium. And truth.
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Impact of lockdowns/mandates
A friend lives in Shanghai and said that elderly there do see doctors less and are not much trusting of them. My use of "draconian" was somewhat influenced by his account of a neighbor who tested positive and police came and nailed her door shut. His impression was this did not foster community spirit in a big way. There are also cultural/philosophical differences -- 88 year olds there tend to be on average pretty fatalistic that something's going to finish them off. Not an attitude that I would disrespect, actually. Not a good answer to @Phi for All good question about how to make universal vaxing seem smart, but that's all I have ATM. My friend has lots of cats, so he's glad he laid in a big supply of cat food.
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Impact of lockdowns/mandates
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/shanghai-reports-12-new-covid-deaths-frustrations-boil-over-2022-04-23/ Interesting contrast to USA approach. Note that the average age of covid deaths in Shanghai is 88, and all were unvaccinated. Seems like a focus on universal vaxing might work better than draconian lockdowns and censoring that enrages people.
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Trolling (split from Quick Forum Questions)
On the topic of trolling: Just registering my concern that some of the smartest minds on this site are currently wasting their cognitive skills on the infinite Escher staircase that is the Ketanji Brown Jackson thread. You have a couple members who just are Not. Ever. Going. To. Concede. Any. Point. No matter how well argued and factually supported. It's Spring in the northern hemisphere! Go outside!
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Does any commercial brand of cheese possess antibiotic activity?
Sorry, no antibiotic cheeses, in fact you don't want antibiotics in cheese as they could prevent the fermentive bacteria from doing their job. Same with yogurts - the probiotic cultures need to thrive, being bacteria that help you digest that food. Some herbs and spices are somewhat antibiotic, like ginger or turmeric or garlic, and they don't bother the good gut bacteria. Apple cider vinegar is also a good one (and also reduces phytates in foods, which then improves zinc absorption and thus can boost immune response). Oregano is antifungal. IOW, eat lots of curry and Italian! 😀
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Lysine (a basic question)
Legumes, soy, and spirulina all have plenty of lysine. Land is not a limiting factor at all. Any assertion that it is needs some cited reference.
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Ketanji Brown Jackson to be first Black woman to sit on Supreme Court - Jordan Peterson has something to say - is he right or is he in the wrong?
I've observed that when people on any side of a debate start telling someone what they don't understand it tends to escalate to ad hom. "Not understanding" becomes an implied "you're kinda slow." If someone really evinces lack of understanding of your point, you can either restate it and hope you made it clearer, or you can move on. The latter is my next move WRT this thread. Cheers.
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The Consciousness Question (If such a question really exists)
Indeed! The problem with panpsychism is not that it's necessarily wrong, it's more that it's a Mysterian position - how would we be able to isolate a consciousness particle and how would that really explain anything? It seems to draw us back to Leibniz and his monads, or something like them. Epistemically, the only way to confirm consciousness is to be conscious and thereby you know one entity in the universe is conscious. All else is a leap of faith - well, it looks like me, and uses language like me, so I guess it's probably conscious, too. At the end of the day, I think behavior is our best metric of consciousness.
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The Fine Art of Baloney Detection
Good list, as one might expect from the late great Mr Sagan. Number four reminds me of the fallacy called "availability heuristic." Which is the tendency, when we form an hypothesis or an opinion or an interpretation of reality, to call upon what we have most recently heard or acquired in the way of information (rather than explore a broader range and timespan of data). We humans have trouble taking the entire information space into account when we try to model reality.
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Ketanji Brown Jackson to be first Black woman to sit on Supreme Court - Jordan Peterson has something to say - is he right or is he in the wrong?
AFAICT, KBJ is the BPFTJ on the SCOTUS. But, as someone once said, IAOTTFLS. And TANSTAAFL. (Sorry, I heard Zapatos say trash can and all my inhibitions melted away)
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Ketanji Brown Jackson to be first Black woman to sit on Supreme Court - Jordan Peterson has something to say - is he right or is he in the wrong?
Gosh, Godwin's Law proves itself once again. (It's gulags, btw) Sorry, I don't think it's the Left or progressives that have been talking concentration camps and putting people in cages. You may want to review the recent activity of the Trumpists and Far Right in the US before you start making comparisons between Democrats and Nazi Germany. We can keep rejecting their lies, their deeply flawed information sources, their bigotry, their misogyny and racism, their loathing for easy access to the polls for all Americans, and their idiotic disrespect for knowledge, facts, and discourse grounded in facts, because it is our duty as citizens of a democratic nation to call out fellow citizens when they are harming that nation. Your question is akin to asking how long we have to look after our children, set rules of behavior, and keep teaching them social skills: until they grow up.
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Ketanji Brown Jackson to be first Black woman to sit on Supreme Court - Jordan Peterson has something to say - is he right or is he in the wrong?
Yes. I would only add (and plus one for making me laugh) that it's also confusing that a reptile pedophile would be going after human children. From what I've heard, pedophiles tend to prefer children of their own species. Sexually molesting juveniles of other species would be categorized as bestiality - also a political liability, at least in northern states*, but Catherine the Great made it work just fine. Sorry I can no longer generate much further insight on the thread topic. Like several members, I see these kinds of selections, and prior announcements to a voter base, as pretty much standard political practice. I mean, the people who didn't like Biden saying his intentions out loud already didn't vote for him and already aren't switching parties or ideologies. So what are they going to do, yell at us? Stomp their feet? * no hate mail please, I'm just kidding