Hitman47 Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I need your point of view on this. What would be your universal solution for Heroin addiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 There is no universal solution. Different methods work for different people. On another note, maybe take up smoking, since the addiction is stronger and harder to quit than heroin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I'd want to be knocked out for a week straight while my body withdrew what exactly are you asking for? "my" universal solution? if its universal, wouldn't it be everyone's? = misunderstanding something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the GardenGnome Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 Purple Haze- Jimi Hendrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSX Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 Cease production of heroine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman47 Posted April 23, 2003 Author Share Posted April 23, 2003 Originally posted by NSX Cease production of heroine THANKYOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meerschaum Posted April 23, 2003 Share Posted April 23, 2003 I've had occasion to know several ex-heroine addicts and I think (for right or wrong) what helped the quit was one of three things a)God (one guy I know is very religious now and he's 100% clean he dosent smoke, he never went to rehab, he just went for Jesus and quit) b)Methadone (one guy I know is on Methadone he's about 40 or so and he's been on it for 12 years now) c)Rehab I think the smoking of cigarettes actually did help the Rehab and Methadone guys for right or wrong it did give them some degree of relief I assume. Opiates are terrible... there is no 'universal' to quit them... it's a life/death struggle and the people I know all seem a little nuts (the religious guy somehow 'snapped' to quit he says) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SS Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Originally posted by blike I'd want to be knocked out for a week straight while my body withdrew what exactly are you asking for? "my" universal solution? if its universal, wouldn't it be everyone's? = misunderstanding something Are you an addict? Or are you speaking hypothetically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SS Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Originally posted by Hitman47 I need your point of view on this. What would be your universal solution for Heroin addiction? My answer would have to be make it treatment options more accessable to addicts. In other words, get rid of the clinic system (which can be dehumanizing thus addicts are reluctant to seek help there, furthermore they need to attend daily to get their meds which not fesible to alot of addicts). It should be treated in a regular doctor office system were privacy is key, and you addicts are treated with more respect and more convienantly. There are office based options out there now with the advent of Buprenorphine an opiate agonist/ant agonist drug which can be dispensed through doctors who have gotten their certification to do so. It is a little pricey but it is another human option for the addict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepultallica Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 stopping production of heroin would be the best solution. i don't know if it can be done but i know we can at least put a dent in the production. it might be hard on the rehabilitation part of it. another solution (although not a good one, in fact a terrible one) would be to bring about another drug that is better. drugs suck. never touched em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 Stopping production is a good idea, but it doesn't necessarily help those who are already addicted. Though in time, the supply would run out and they would have no choice but to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zakfab Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Stopping production completley is not possible, it will jus become very scarce, so prices will rocket, so all the hard core addicts will steal more to pay for their addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star-struck Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 Originally posted by SS My answer would have to be make it treatment options more accessable to addicts. In other words, get rid of the clinic system (which can be dehumanizing thus addicts are reluctant to seek help there, furthermore they need to attend daily to get their meds which not fesible to alot of addicts). It should be treated in a regular doctor office system were privacy is key, and you addicts are treated with more respect and more convienantly. There are office based options out there now with the advent of Buprenorphine an opiate agonist/ant agonist drug which can be dispensed through doctors who have gotten their certification to do so. It is a little pricey but it is another human option for the addict. I don't think we need to change treatment to cater to the convenience or fragile ego's of junkies. They are not victims. They are where they are because of poor choices. Let it be inconvenient and demoralizing for them. Let them earn it! It's bad enough they leach off the system as it is. My tax money could be better spent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 1, 2003 Share Posted August 1, 2003 I'm guessing SS has a unique point of view on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star-struck Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 I doubt that I am the only person who feels this way. I will admit though, mine may be a more American view, and a right wing one at that. I find it appalling that people, such as junkies and those that are on unemployment, have the audacity to criticize government programs that are there to help them. It is never "enough" for them, nor is it ever convenient enough for them. Programs such as these should be such that people don't want to take part in them for any longer than they absolutely have to. Otherwise, why would anyone ever strive to become independent of them? Programs such as these need to be strict so that people cannot abuse them as has been done in the past. Bottom line, the old cliche'...beggers can't be choosers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 I agree... I was talking about the member called SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star-struck Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 Oh, right then, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SS Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 I find my point of view the "human" one. People need to be more open minded on this issue. The problem exists, period. There is no way heroin will be wiped off the planet, face it, deal with it. And one way to deal with the problem is what I have outlined above. Just my point of view, of course. I certainly didn't mean to rattle anyones cage.. loosen up huh? <>< Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 The difficulty seems to be is in staying off heroin rather than quitting. The few ex-users I have known had previously quit several times and then gone back to it. To stay off heroin you really need to get away from the other users you know, dealers, the whole culture itself, and start your life over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligence Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Originally posted by Hitman47 I need your point of view on this. What would be your universal solution for Heroin addiction? First off using the word solution implies there is a problem with heroin addiction. What is the problem? A person chooses to take heroin every single time they take it. So are you trying to take away someones choice of what to do and force them to do what you want them to do? Heroin isn't a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettle Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Heroin is a problem. It is a very costly drug and the effects of the "high" diminish each time it is used - the drug user therefore needs more of the drug to get high next time until they eventually end up with a very expensive habit (unless they undergo regular voluntary withdrawal to reduce the cost). Where do they get this money from? You can't support a £100 daily habit with a normal job - that's why so many heroin addicts turn to crime to support their habit (but there is a lucky few who have jobs that pay well enough to support their habit - and they can lead relatively normal lives). There is also the problem of using old or dirty needles to inject the drug - this can spread HIV, hepatitis and a host of other diseases between users. These discarded needles can also injure children, animals and the poor bastards who have to clean them up. Admittedly, heroin does not cause so much internal damage as something like alcohol and the effects of withdrawal are unpleasant, but there is also risk of overdose, disease and, of course, being caught and facing a hefty spell in prison. It's for this reason that the NHS in the UK is proposing to give heroin addicts free hygenic needles and a free heroin-like substance. This is certainly a step in the right direction and may even be a definite solution - remove the cost of the habit, make it hygenic and thereby reduce all of the anti-social and even deadly symptoms that associate use of the drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettle Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 I just found a couple of links to news stories about the NHS in connection with this thread. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3055630.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2985158.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intelligence Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Ok let's take a look at this nonsensical response. Heroine is costly and has diminishing effects each time it is taken. So what. This has nothing to do with it being a problem at all whatsoever. If someone ends up with a habit that is beyond their budget they can very willfully STOP the habit. It's their choice - and yes they absolutely 100% have the choice, thus it isn't a problem at all. No one HAS to use old dirty needles, thus these are NOT a problem involving heroine. No one HAS to rob someone to get money for heroin. You see you're taking the same unintelligent position that these drug war nazis take. In reality none of these things have anything to do with heroin, they all occur regardless of heroin, and heroin can occur without them. So you have failed to say anything to back up your claim. In the future don't waste peoples time with this! Give evidence to back up your claim. Originally posted by Kettle Heroin is a problem. It is a very costly drug and the effects of the "high" diminish each time it is used - the drug user therefore needs more of the drug to get high next time until they eventually end up with a very expensive habit (unless they undergo regular voluntary withdrawal to reduce the cost). Where do they get this money from? You can't support a £100 daily habit with a normal job - that's why so many heroin addicts turn to crime to support their habit (but there is a lucky few who have jobs that pay well enough to support their habit - and they can lead relatively normal lives). There is also the problem of using old or dirty needles to inject the drug - this can spread HIV, hepatitis and a host of other diseases between users. These discarded needles can also injure children, animals and the poor bastards who have to clean them up. Admittedly, heroin does not cause so much internal damage as something like alcohol and the effects of withdrawal are unpleasant, but there is also risk of overdose, disease and, of course, being caught and facing a hefty spell in prison. It's for this reason that the NHS in the UK is proposing to give heroin addicts free hygenic needles and a free heroin-like substance. This is certainly a step in the right direction and may even be a definite solution - remove the cost of the habit, make it hygenic and thereby reduce all of the anti-social and even deadly symptoms that associate use of the drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kettle Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 I agree that heroin is, in itself, not a problem per se but the problematic effects of addiction, if it is not controlled, are well evidenced. Let me relay to you a little bit of my personal history. I was merrily walking through London one sunny afternoon, a guy literally jumps me from an alley - puts a hyperdermic needle to my throat, tells me it's infected with AIDS and demands anything I have of value otherwise he'll stick me with it. Naturally I obliged. Police later traced him to a half-way house for heroin addicts. A very traumatic experience (so please don't take advantage of my honesty - thanks). I'm not sure where you live, but here in London heroin is a huge problem - particularly amongst the destitute and homeless. They leave used needles in doorways and have a high rate of infections and overdose. True - they don't have to leave needles lying around etc but, like it or not, they do and someone else puts themselves at risk to clean it up. Here in the UK, there are some inner city areas where needles are regularly left in children's playgrounds, public toilets and public parks - pretty grim. Would these needles be left lying around if these people weren't injecting? The evidence I have for this is from simply living in London and observing the world around me - that's all. If someone else wants to take heroin then fine - just don't put other peope at risk. (Intelligence - why all the personal attacks and insults? I'm just giving an opinion and my own side of the debate - I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMI Posted August 6, 2003 Share Posted August 6, 2003 Me thinks, Mr. Kettle, that this man's criminality is more the issue than his addiction. Whatever his need be, whether it is drugs or food, he resorts to violence to obtain it. Many more addicts obtain their drugs without harming anybody except maybe themselves. The programs that are now in place to help addicts are sufficient. Getting the addict to adhere to the "rules" is the hard part. Aside of putting the addict in jail, where he may still be able to have access to drugs sadly, there isn't much more that can be done. The tools are there for the addict. He only need use them. BTW, sorry to hear about this traumatic event. You've every right to be angry. It is unfortunate that people can actually be so consumed by addiction that they lose interest in everything from personal hygiene to eating to sex. Once they begin putting others at risk, either directly by violence or by leaving dirty needles about, they should be removed from society. I don't favor laws that protect us from ourselves, persay, but when someone proves to be a detriment to society we should not hesitate to remove them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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