Sayonara Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 A) is the human race ahead of other species? are we the most world dominant, advanced specie? With regards to what? Certainly we aren't better adapted at everything. B) do we have a mating season? As I have already said several times, we do appear to have - at the very least - a partially effected mating season. whatever you answer to that, i have a suitable conclusion which i will share, once you've answered. In other words, you're just making generalisations instead of applying any actual biology. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 In other words, you're just making generalisations instead of applying any actual biology. Good luck. thnx mate, your my bestest friend! (and i know you are about to say that it is true.) Certainly we aren't better adapted at everything. in which case, although there could be room for improvement, what we do at the moment is sufficient for us to survive... As I have already said several times, we do appear to have - at the very least - a partially effected mating season. and this is one of the techniques that humans have developed over the years. it is only a mental thing about having a mating season, .i.e. although we dont have a strict mating season, humans have a prefernce as to when they have children, i assume, is what you mean. so we have a mental mating season? not a strict one, as do animals? is that what you think? (i know people born in every month of the year, therefore we cannot have a strict mating season, as do animals, where by all babies are born within a few days, possibly weeks of each other) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 in which case, although there could be room for improvement, what we do at the moment is sufficient for us to survive... What has that got to do with this thread? And doesn't it directly contradict the idea that we are the "superior species"? and this is one of the techniques that humans have developed over the years. it is only a mental thing about having a mating season, .i.e. although we dont have a strict mating season, humans have a prefernce as to when they have children, i assume, is what you mean. Would you care to show evidence for any of that? I don't know why you'd assume that is what I meant when there are plenty of better reasons, many of which surround the fact that in humans there are a great deal more non-procreative (usually accidental) conceptions than there are in animals. so we have a mental mating season? not a strict one, as do animals? is that what you think? I have made the observation that human births do not occur with uniform distribution throughout the year, and therefore mating does not either. I have not suggested what the cause might be and I don't really plan to do so. I would suggest though that if you want to find the reason, you might do well to consult some peer-reviewed research on the matter instead of making wild guesses and coming up with your own terms for things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 What has that got to do with this thread? And doesn't it directly contradict the idea that we are the "superior species"? if i hadnt have said that, then you would have told me, no one is perfect, theres room for improvement in everything. I don't know why you'd assume that is what I meant when there are plenty of better reasons, many of which surround the fact that in humans there are a great deal more non-procreative (usually accidental) conceptions than there are in animals. if i hadnt have said how we have a "mental mating season" you would have repeated the fact that human childbirth is not uniform and equal throghout the year. I have made the observation that human births do not occur with uniform distribution throughout the year, and therefore mating does not either. I have not suggested what the cause might be and I don't really plan to do so. but you go and repeat it anyway... i was suggesting the idea, not you, thats why i said it and you didnt! so that was a pointless sentence. everything i say, you argue with, everything, you really are argumentative, every point i make, you have to quote and argue back, but even if i had have said the opposite, you still would have argued, when i change my point of view, you still argue, can you not analyse and argue every point i ever make, and can you stop deleting my posts. [qantum entaglement and jokes section] About this thread: i think that humans do not have a mating season, regardless of the fact that there might not be equal child birth throughout the whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 I am not arguing with you, I am (a) telling you that you are wrong and (b) asking you not to put words in my mouth. I don't know how I can make it any clearer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5614 Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 so are we friends just having arguments because we believe in different things? or are we just deliberately attacking each other? hopefully, friends having an argument, because of our different opinions, so i ask you... whats your position in this debate? i think that humans do not have a mating season, regardless of the fact that there might not be equal child birth throughout the whole year. and in answer to the original question, of why there is no mating season i say, because there is no need for one, due to our ability to change our environment, to suit the young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 so are we friends just having arguments because we believe in different things? or are we just deliberately attacking each other? Ask yourself whether I am attacking you or the things you are saying. and in answer to the original question, of why there is no mating season i say, because there is no need for one, due to our ability to change our environment, to suit the young. Yet still nobody has demonstrated the link between the alleged cause and effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 Yet still nobody has demonstrated the link between the alleged cause and effect. Which will be tough, since (as I tried to say before) you remove the alleged causes and the alleged effect is still there. But I don't agree that seasonal variation in birth rates is the same as a mating season. It could easily be e.g. just nothing better to do on a long winter night. (Or nothing good on TV in the present) Women are, in principle, receptive to sex and able to conceive year 'round. That means (to me) to be the same as "no mating season." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 13, 2004 Share Posted August 13, 2004 But I don't agree that seasonal variation in birth rates is the same as a mating season. It could easily be e.g. just nothing better to do on a long winter night. (Or nothing good on TV in the present) Women are, in principle, receptive to sex and able to conceive year 'round. That means (to me) to be the same as "no mating season." But is it? Mating season is essentially a perfect description - it is the season in which mating occurs. It does not mean that mating outside of that season would be medically fruitless, simply that the behaviour is not there. The question is then one of definition - what percentage of the population must be conceived in the identified season in order for it to be considered a breeding period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 apparently Oct 5`th is the most popular birth date, and May 22`nd is the least (in the USA). take from that what you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harsh Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 well i dont realy thinkwe need a scintific answer for this question...if we did have a mating season there would be not difference between us and animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 We are animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kedas Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 But is it? Mating season is essentially a perfect description - it is the season in which mating occurs. It does not mean that mating outside of that season would be medically fruitless' date=' simply that the behaviour is not there. The question is then one of definition - what percentage of the population must be conceived in the identified season in order for it to be considered a breeding period?[/quote'] You keep talking about 'season' how are you so sure it's related to a season?? and not for example that people have a breeding mondth. so first start to analyse the causes of a not flat graph and then we can or can't attach it to something like season. I think it's logical due to the higher temps there will be less clothing --> more primitieve chemics doing there job if we like it or not. so people that 'let there feelings/chemics run' will most likely have sex during a warmer season. interesting would be to compare it to a cold or warm place (always cold, always hot) also the duration of day/night etc. Just a few of my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 it MIGHT even have something to do with Moon Phases also, and not actualy a season per se. just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 You keep talking about 'season' how are you so sure it's related to a season?? Because the word season in "mating season" refers to an arbitrary period of time, not a season in the sense of "the four seasons". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kedas Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 So 'season' is just a period of time here in this thread, OK maybe we shouldn't use that word since we also try to figure out if it's related to a season, this can ony lead to confusion. 'mating period' would be a better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 it MIGHT even have something to do with Moon Phases also' date=' and not actualy a season per se. just a thought [/quote'] You'd have to come up with some evidence. Every instance of human behavior purported to be influenced by the phase of the moon of which I am aware has been thoroughly debunked, with the possible exception of activities for which a moonlit or moonless night (e.g. burglery) is a direct requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Mating season is essentially a perfect description - it is the season in which mating occurs. It does not mean that mating outside of that season would be medically fruitless' date=' simply that the behaviour is not there. The question is then one of definition - what percentage of the population must be conceived in the identified season in order for it to be considered a breeding period?[/quote'] If the behavior is "not there," then I'd expect there to be fewer births - ideally zero, but a few standard deviations below average would do, assuming it was a gaussian distribition. But I'll bet it's not even close to being gaussian. I'd be surprised if the monthly fluctuation was larger than ~10-15% from the average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Are you talking about humans, or your average animal species? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 I am trying to find figures on the National Office of Statistics webbie but navigating it is a nightmare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kedas Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=299659&c=10 also most are born in the middle of the week. the graph shows the average births per day for the different months. about from 530 to 580 or about 5% around 555. any other country's? (I couldn't find it from my own country) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 I found stats for the US from 1995, from the Monthly statistics report Vol. 45, No. 11, Supplement, from the CDC: from Table 12: Total .....................3,899,589 January ....................316,013 February ...................295,094 March .......................328,503 April .........................309,119 May ..........................334,543 June ..........................329,805 July ...........................340,873 August .......................350,737 September .................339,103 October .....................330,012 November ..................310,817 December ..................314,970 I don't see anything that suggests a mating season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 You'd have to come up with some evidence. Every instance of human behavior purported to be influenced by the phase of the moon of which I am aware has been thoroughly debunked, with the possible exception of activities for which a moonlit or moonless night (e.g. burglery) is a direct requirement. I agree entirely, the point was that it MAY NOT be a season exactly, and that for all we know it COULD be rellated to moon phases or Solar Flares on the 11 year cycle, the fact that there doesn`t seem to be a "Season" (as in 4 each year) doesn`t mean that it may not run on A cycle of some sort, and it could also mean that there IS NO cycle. nothing more, or less than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 I found stats for the US from 1995' date=' from the Monthly statistics report Vol. 45, No. 11, Supplement, from the CDC:I don't see anything that suggests a mating season.[/quote'] A plot of those results shows a trend line that backs up what I said. I'm not completely happy using results from just one year, but there you go. If I can get myself geared up I'll do some proper pop analysis on the numbers. Obviously this is not the same as what we'd call 'mating season' in, say, sheep, but it does indicate that the people who were yammering on about humans being all cosy and special and free from the effects of our habitats are just plain wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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