CNN's Gods warriors

[Blade]

Who's gonna watch CNN's Gods warriors?

 

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/

 

seems interresting.

[geoguy]

No.

 

The issue I have with this type of reporting is one of 'equivalence' to try and be politically correct. When it's 'Christians, Muslims and Jews' there is an agenda to not offend any one group by exaggerating comparisons. My guess is the idea for the story started out as a report of Islamic whackos but was deemed too biased so christians and Jews were thrown in.

 

Even the concept is silly. 'Jews'? Why Jews? It's like comparing the countries of 'China, India and Luxembourg'. The scale of Jews in the world, let alone 'Jewish warriors' to Christians and Muslims isn't on the same scale.

 

Also, I get tired of these roving 'expert' reporters. Christine gets tiring with her pedantic somber pronouncements. Societies are reduced to simplistic sound bites. They never ask the real tough questions but skirt around real issues with sappy politieness and softball questions.

 

"Is the use of violence justified when...blah, blah,....?"

 

Instead of

 

'You blew the head off of a six-month-old baby. Are you a sick puppy?"

 

Ten to one the conclusions will be : These religions all originate in the same Bible. blah..blah...blah... Learn to come together using shared values...blah...bla...blah... Aren't we all really after the same thing....blah, blah....blah

 

Sorry, I don't put much faith in a program that doesn't take on Islamic whackos head on and expose them as a bunch of rabid thugs.

[Dak]

Even the concept is silly. 'Jews'? Why Jews? It's like comparing the countries of 'China, India and Luxembourg'. The scale of Jews in the world, let alone 'Jewish warriors' to Christians and Muslims isn't on the same scale.

 

don't jews have their own country, which is bigger than luxembourg?

[Sisyphus]

don't jews have their own country, which is bigger than luxembourg?

 

...but smaller than New Jersey.

 

I dunno, on the one hand I agree, Jews are a tiny group compared with Christians or Muslims. On the other hand, they have played a disproportionately large role in religious conflict. Zionism vs. fundamentalist Islamicism is probably the bitterest, most sustained, and most significant religious conflict in the world right now, and that's saying a lot.

 

Also, for what it's worth "Jews, Christians, and Muslims" is sometimes used not as a list of three things but as one group, i.e. the Abrahamic religions.

[geoguy]

...but smaller than New Jersey.

 

I dunno, on the one hand I agree, Jews are a tiny group compared with Christians or Muslims. On the other hand, they have played a disproportionately large role in religious conflict. Zionism vs. fundamentalist Islamicism is probably the bitterest, most sustained, and most significant religious conflict in the world right now, and that's saying a lot.

 

Also, for what it's worth "Jews, Christians, and Muslims" is sometimes used not as a list of three things but as one group, i.e. the Abrahamic religions.

 

goods ponts.

 

However Ziionism vs Islam is a pipsqueak sideshow compared to Islam vs Hindus in India...Sunni vs Shiite and so on. A couple million Muslims were killed fighting each other in the Iran-Iraq war which was largely religious in nature. Tens of thousands have died in Iraq over intra-Muslim rivalry.

 

Zionism vs Islam is an isue but I don't think it has much to do with the Jewish faith. Zionists, in fact, were largely socialists and atheists... race based and not religious based. It's more Israelis vs Arabs rather than Jews vs Muslims. If Israel was to disappear tommorow there wouldn't be any less killing amongst Muslim groups.

 

Perhaps Muslim whackos are not even about Islam. Take away the religion and it would be some other issue of 'us vs them'. Christianity as a 'force' doesn't hold much sway in most of the western world outside of a segment of the USA. Jews aren't going to die for Jehovah and Brits aren't going to die for Jesus. Islamic nutbars claim to die for Allah and I don't doubt they themselves believe it but they'd be blowing themselves up for some other reason if it wasn't Islam.

 

I'm more or less a liberal on social issues but I'm tired of the media handling violent nutbars with kid gloves. i don't agree with the Americans being in Iraq but I also don't agree with false moral equivalence. Americans are motivated, for the most part, by a desire to do the right thing even when they screw up. Islam's 'soldiers of god' are motivated by hatred.

[CDarwin]

I really think it's just going be about the interface between politics and religion, not necessarily a comparison of the three religions. Degree of violence is irrelevent, as Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all heavily interface with politics.

 

I'm definately going to watch it. Junctions of religion and politics are something of a pet interest of mine.

[Blade]

That "Documentary" Obsession: radical Islams war against the west

 

Is that just really biased? How much of that is true?

[ParanoiA]

Seems interesting, but per the links at the bottom, I'm not sure how much history is going to be covered. Seems to me you'd need a comprehensive history to do this subject justice. Hopefully those are "extras" links and not an indication of the content.

 

I'll be watching tonight...

[Mag]

let alone 'Jewish warriors' to Christians and Muslims isn't on the same scale.

 

I was thinking just that.

the number of Extremist Christians or Muslims probably outnumber ALL of the Jews (whether they be very religious to holiday-religious).

 

 

 

I dunno, on the one hand I agree, Jews are a tiny group compared with Christians or Muslims. On the other hand, they have played a disproportionately large role in religious conflict.

 

Also, for what it's worth "Jews, Christians, and Muslims" is sometimes used not as a list of three things but as one group, i.e. the Abrahamic religions.

 

this is also true, and I've found this amazing. While those who follow Judiasm (on any scale) only number in the few millions, and comes out to only 2% (or so) of the entire world - it still seems to be a "mainstream" religion (i.e everyone knows about it)

Then again, I also think that the Holocaust played a big role in that.

 

well, enough ramblings from me. lol

[CDarwin]

Including Judaism in the series makes it more interesting to me. You don't hear a lot about political Judaism.

[john5746]

I watched the first show. Not very informative, of course. I did learn one interesting thing. The muslims, or at least the Iranian shia, beleive that the hidden imam will come back and that if other religions do not accept him, Jesus will come back and mediate!

 

It is remarkable how similar these religions can be. The Jews, who created this God for themselves, believe the messiah will be a great leader, not a diety. The Christians of course think he is a diety and the shia apparently think he is as well, but only as a go-between.

 

Maybe these three will eventually come to an agreement. But that agreement might be worse than the petty fighting we have now!

[CDarwin]

I thought it was interesting, if just for that one quote from the Ayatollah, "terrorists are going to Hell."

[Blade]

That Documentary Obsession: radical Islams war against the west

is a better warning about radical religions then the whole CNN series.

[bascule]

The issue I have with this type of reporting is one of 'equivalence' to try and be politically correct. When it's 'Christians, Muslims and Jews' there is an agenda to not offend any one group by exaggerating comparisons. My guess is the idea for the story started out as a report of Islamic whackos but was deemed too biased so christians and Jews were thrown in.

 

To put it in perspective:

 

[iNow]

To put it in perspective:

What an easy graphic. Thanks! Where'd you get it?

[Sisyphus]

So there are about a hundred Muslims for every Jew. I still think it's fair to talk about "Muslims, Christians, and Jews" because Zionism and the existence of Israel is still the single biggest battle cry among Muslim Jihadists. (Like I said, disproportionate.) The Abrahamic religions are inextricably tied together in common origin, millennia of common history, a common holy land. Each is defined in no small part by being different from the other two. Each is defined in no small part by how they struggle against those particular other beliefs and philosophies. Frankly, I'd say it's impossible to talk about religious conflict in one without talking about all three. That's why it's different from something like Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, which is little more than a matter of two expanding, unrelated religions bumping into one another.

[CDarwin]

So there are about a hundred Muslims for every Jew. I still think it's fair to talk about "Muslims, Christians, and Jews" because Zionism and the existence of Israel is still the single biggest battle cry among Muslim Jihadists. (Like I said, disproportionate.) The Abrahamic religions are inextricably tied together in common origin, millennia of common history, a common holy land. Each is defined in no small part by being different from the other two. Each is defined in no small part by how they struggle against those particular other beliefs and philosophies. Frankly, I'd say it's impossible to talk about religious conflict in one without talking about all three. That's why it's different from something like Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, which is little more than a matter of two expanding, unrelated religions bumping into one another.

 

The three are also the most significant to the United States politically.