I wrote a conclusion to my thread before I read the most correct replies. I will try to respond to them in the next couple of days but until then I will explain why I started the thread.

So I’ve presented a challenge to all you science types about numerology. Myself I don’t practice numerology. But that doesn’t mean patterns in all things don’t exist. I mean I can see where giving a name to a baby would influence their future. There was a case were a father named his son Sue so he would grow up to be tough because his father wouldn’t be there to look after him.

Seriously though, I don’t think we can see all patterns. But why does this matter? I think if you have one pattern you can apply it to a place where we can’t see a pattern. In a previous thread I mentioned Sesquation could be used to solve for x in polynomials. In this case of polynomials I hypothesized that if you had test values of the graph the pattern that is known (Sesquation) would reveal a pattern. I don’t have all the details but I think there is something there.

Cryptography has roots in numerology. Simple cyphers have letter frequencies. But I don’t try to predict the future with numerology. I am only concerned with the processing of the pattern. I wish I could share the numerology work an unknown reader sent me. It wasn’t to predict the future but related numbers of patterns found by a sieving algorithm. It looked sophisticated and I didn’t have anyway to debunk it.

But also true numerology is dangerous. That is the misuse of. But I don’t completely rule out significant patterns. Take paintings for example. Heads are drawn in a triangle representing the trinity. So any designed creative work could possibly be explained by similar methods as numerology.

I have exhausted this thread but a hope it give a thought provoking take on patterns. Because in public key cryptography you don’t have to find the pattern of the trap door function, you just have to find 2 or more unknowns based on a makeshift pattern you augmented the graph with.

But that is speculation. But you have to start with speculation to start new investigations.

5 hours ago, Trurl said:

I wrote a conclusion to my thread before I read the most correct replies. I will try to respond to them in the next couple of days but until then I will explain why I started the thread.

So I’ve presented a challenge to all you science types about numerology. Myself I don’t practice numerology. But that doesn’t mean patterns in all things don’t exist. I mean I can see where giving a name to a baby would influence their future. There was a case were a father named his son Sue so he would grow up to be tough because his father wouldn’t be there to look after him.

Seriously though, I don’t think we can see all patterns. But why does this matter? I think if you have one pattern you can apply it to a place where we can’t see a pattern. In a previous thread I mentioned Sesquation could be used to solve for x in polynomials. In this case of polynomials I hypothesized that if you had test values of the graph the pattern that is known (Sesquation) would reveal a pattern. I don’t have all the details but I think there is something there.

Cryptography has roots in numerology. Simple cyphers have letter frequencies. But I don’t try to predict the future with numerology. I am only concerned with the processing of the pattern. I wish I could share the numerology work an unknown reader sent me. It wasn’t to predict the future but related numbers of patterns found by a sieving algorithm. It looked sophisticated and I didn’t have anyway to debunk it.

But also true numerology is dangerous. That is the misuse of. But I don’t completely rule out significant patterns. Take paintings for example. Heads are drawn in a triangle representing the trinity. So any designed creative work could possibly be explained by similar methods as numerology.

I have exhausted this thread but a hope it give a thought provoking take on patterns. Because in public key cryptography you don’t have to find the pattern of the trap door function, you just have to find 2 or more unknowns based on a makeshift pattern you augmented the graph with.

But that is speculation. But you have to start with speculation to start new investigations.

That is not correct. Investigations frequently start from observations, particularly from unexpected observations.

You proceed from a false premise.

Numerology is not pattens - that’s not an accurate summary of the practice. So the observation that patterns exist has no relevance. Science observes patterns and discovers a physical reason for them, but numerology does basically the opposite.

A Boy Named Sue is a song by Shel Silverstein and made famous by Johnny Cash. It’s fiction. Numerology is less thought-out (AFAICT) than the sociology of how you might be treated because of your name, and how you might react to it. People with the same name don’t necessarily turn out the same.

I think you need to state clearly what you mean by a pattern, and also why numerology is a search for patterns.

(Working off memory of something I read years ago; so treat this as anecdotal ...)

Somebody noticed that professional athletes in some sport had a higher than chance probability of having certain astrological signs.

Non-science nonsense would say "well, when mercury is in retrograde ...".

But it (the "pattern") was studied and it was realised it did have to do with when they were born. As children starting yearly age-grade sports, those born sooner than the others had a statistically significant advantage in physical development (size, strength, dexterity, ...), that carried through their young sporting years. It helped keep them in the sport and develop.

(Again, all statistics; bell curves apply.)

@Trurl is this what you might mean by your "numerology"?

35 minutes ago, pzkpfw said:

Somebody noticed that professional athletes in some sport had a higher than chance probability of having certain astrological signs.

Canadian study of pro hockey players. Showing a fairly straightforward causal relationship between birth season and early encouragement from sports teachers and coaches. There could be other seasonal effects, as well, both in terms of homeroom age differences and also early infant development as it relates to day lengths, ambient temps, airborne pollens, etc. These effects are amenable to statistical analysis, unlike mystical conjectures like those of numerology or astrology.

2 hours ago, TheVat said:

Canadian study of pro hockey players. Showing a fairly straightforward causal relationship between birth season and early encouragement from sports teachers and coaches.

For some reason, I got booted into a UK secondary school while I was still 10, the youngest by more than a month of a yearly intake of 360 pupils.

The school had a good sports record, and being the youngest and among the smallest, I found the first year tough.

But year two, I still qualified for the under-12s among whom I was one of the biggest, and had had an extra year of training against stronger opponents.

This advantage was nothing to do with me being a Libra as such; it was simply down to the school year beginning in September.