Hi all,

This is a speculative question, but one I’d really appreciate input on from those with a stronger grounding in field theory and quantum mechanics.

We know that gravity and electromagnetism are fundamentally distinct forces, but they share a number of interesting parallels: both act at a distance, follow the inverse square law, and interact through continuous fields that permeate space.

That got me wondering:

Could it be possible that gravity and electromagnetism interact with matter based, at least in part, on the frequency of the particles or systems involved?

In other words:

• Electromagnetism seems to couple most strongly to high-frequency, fast-moving particles like electrons and photons.

• Gravity, in contrast, may couple more directly to slow-moving, low-frequency systems atoms, massive particles, and macroscopic bodies.

  
  If this were true, gravity and EM might represent different parts of a broader interaction spectrum not unified in the traditional sense, but differentiated by the types of vibrational states or frequency bands of matter they interact with.
  
  Some implications or questions that come to mind:

• Could this perspective help explain why we can manipulate EM fields so easily, but not gravity?

• Might strong EM fields partially shield or modulate gravitational effects, simply by engaging different energy states?

• Could this point toward any possible experimental approach even if just conceptually for frequency-selective gravitational interaction?

• Are there theories or prior experiments that might touch on this idea from another angle?

I’m aware this idea is speculative and may well conflict with established theory but I’d love to know if there’s a framework (either classical, relativistic, or quantum) where this line of inquiry has been explored, even partially.

Thanks for any insight.

No, no, no and no.

Electromagnetism 'couples' to charge.
Gravity 'couples' to anything that has energy-momentum, including high frequency, fast moving particles like photons.
( and even itself )

Edited May 27May 27 by MigL

Thanks for the reply and fair point on both accounts.

I'm not trying to suggest that gravity doesn't couple to high-frequency particles like photons (gravitational lensing confirms that clearly), but more wondering whether the strength or characteristics of that coupling, might vary depending on the energy state or vibrational frequency of a system.

So rather than saying “gravity doesn’t couple to fast-moving particles,” I'm trying to ask whether that coupling might behave differently, or at least perhaps be, less functionally relevant, in engineered systems where high-frequency EM fields dominate, especially compared to stationary or low-frequency rest mass systems.

Appreciate the clarification though that helps narrow the question.

Just now, Chris1000K said:

Thanks for the reply and fair point on both accounts.

I'm not trying to suggest that gravity doesn't couple to high-frequency particles like photons (gravitational lensing confirms that clearly), but more wondering whether the strength or characteristics of that coupling, might vary depending on the energy state or vibrational frequency of a system.

So rather than saying “gravity doesn’t couple to fast-moving particles,” I'm trying to ask whether that coupling might behave differently, or at least perhaps be, less functionally relevant, in engineered systems where high-frequency EM fields dominate, especially compared to stationary or low-frequency rest mass systems.

Appreciate the clarification though that helps narrow the question.

I don't understand this connection to 'high frequency'

All changes in electromagnetism and gravity move at the same speed - the speed of light.
This is regardlees of any frequency components of that frequency.

6 hours ago, Chris1000K said:

I'm trying to ask whether that coupling might behave differently, or at least perhaps be, less functionally relevant, in engineered systems where high-frequency EM fields dominate, especially compared to stationary or low-frequency rest mass systems.

I don’t really get this either. Not all EM fields oscillate, and neither do mass distributions (usually). So the frequency of what are you referring to, exactly?

9 hours ago, Chris1000K said:

Electromagnetism seems to couple most strongly to high-frequency, fast-moving particles like electrons and photons

What is “high-frequency” about electrons?

(also, photons can be low-frequency)

Thanks, not sure why I got lost down that thought, anyway just another 9,999 more things to get wrong before I figure out something important! Cheers for setting me straight guys.

I’ve been exploring conceptual approaches to gravity manipulation.

I started by thinking of gravity less like a geometric curvature and more like a dynamic medium, similar to how air or water can be disturbed. The idea is that if particles create ripples in this medium, perhaps we can coordinate their properties and trajectories to locally influence gravitational effects.

To explore this, I’ve formulated two equations and built a working computational framework to test particle interactions numerically:

|Ψ_gravity⟩ = Σ α_{n₁,n₂,...,nₖ} |n₁P₁, n₂P₂, ..., nₖPₖ⟩ ⊗ |G_effect⟩

ΔG(r,t) = Σᵢ [Nᵢ × Cᵢ × S(rᵢ,t) × D(|r - rᵢ|)] + I(r,t)

The first equation represents a quantum superposition of particle combinations and their associated gravitational influence. The second describes how particle properties and spacetime positions might sum to produce a measurable gravitational deviation at (r,t).

1 hour ago, Chris1000K said:

I’ve been exploring conceptual approaches to gravity manipulation.

I started by thinking of gravity less like a geometric curvature and more like a dynamic medium, similar to how air or water can be disturbed. The idea is that if particles create ripples in this medium, perhaps we can coordinate their properties and trajectories to locally influence gravitational effects.

What are the properties of this medium and how do we do experiments to confirm this?

1 hour ago, Chris1000K said:

To explore this, I’ve formulated two equations and built a working computational framework to test particle interactions numerically:

|Ψ_gravity⟩ = Σ α_{n₁,n₂,...,nₖ} |n₁P₁, n₂P₂, ..., nₖPₖ⟩ ⊗ |G_effect⟩

ΔG(r,t) = Σᵢ [Nᵢ × Cᵢ × S(rᵢ,t) × D(|r - rᵢ|)] + I(r,t)

The first equation represents a quantum superposition of particle combinations and their associated gravitational influence. The second describes how particle properties and spacetime positions might sum to produce a measurable gravitational deviation at (r,t).

You need to explain what these variables (or constants) are.

Here we go:

Equation 1:

|Ψ_gravity⟩ = Σ α_{n₁,n₂,...,nₖ} |n₁P₁, n₂P₂, ..., nₖPₖ⟩ ⊗ |G_effect⟩

• n₁, n₂, ...: Number of particles of each type

• P₁, P₂, ...: Particle types (like protons, electrons, etc.)

• α: Weighting factor for each configuration

• ⊗ |G_effect⟩: Resulting gravitational influence for that setup

This builds a sum over different combinations of particles and their estimated gravity impact.

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Equation 2:

ΔG(r,t) = Σᵢ [Nᵢ × Cᵢ × S(rᵢ,t) × D(|r - rᵢ|)] + I(r,t)

• Nᵢ: Number of particles in group i

• Cᵢ: Coupling strength

• S(rᵢ,t): Localised activity (position + time)

• D(|r - rᵢ|): Distance-based decay

• I(r,t): External influence or background field

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I'm just building a simplified framework to test particle setups and see how they might collectively produce localized gravitational effects.

48 minutes ago, Chris1000K said:

Here we go:

Equation 1:

|Ψ_gravity⟩ = Σ α_{n₁,n₂,...,nₖ} |n₁P₁, n₂P₂, ..., nₖPₖ⟩ ⊗ |G_effect⟩

• n₁, n₂, ...: Number of particles of each type

• P₁, P₂, ...: Particle types (like protons, electrons, etc.)

• α: Weighting factor for each configuration

• ⊗ |G_effect⟩: Resulting gravitational influence for that setup

This builds a sum over different combinations of particles and their estimated gravity impact.

What is the weighting factor? Range of values, what does it depend on?

What are Psi and “gravitational influence”? Forces? Accelerations?

48 minutes ago, Chris1000K said:

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Equation 2:

ΔG(r,t) = Σᵢ [Nᵢ × Cᵢ × S(rᵢ,t) × D(|r - rᵢ|)] + I(r,t)

• Nᵢ: Number of particles in group i

• Cᵢ: Coupling strength

• S(rᵢ,t): Localised activity (position + time)

• D(|r - rᵢ|): Distance-based decay

• I(r,t): External influence or background field

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I'm just building a simplified framework to test particle setups and see how they might collectively produce localized gravitational effects.

What is the coupling strength? What are these various functions?