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In this link, near the end of the video, Matt O'Dowd explains that thermal black holes can be created in a vacuum by nothing but solar radiation - given one can absorb 20% of the sun's total energy output into hematite to generate such a powerful laser.

Early in this video, we see in the physics programmed into Universe Sandbox 2 says about the vast amounts of energy contained within very narrow laser beams, with a typical laser pointer beam narrowed to about .1 nanometers will cause small parts of the earth's surface to be vaporized.

Then it occured to me we don't need to consume entire planets in order to make thermal black holes, we can just catch a beam in a circle of magnifying glass that bends the laser light in a circle around and around until it's less than .1 nanometers wide. This method for bending and narrowing beams are demonstrated in these videos:

Now, there is one issue with getting more output than input from energy this way, it is that the thermal micro-black hole will spew out no more energy than than we put in to make the lasers that make them, if they were small enough to evaporate safely in a lab. 

The solution was to use that energy to make more beams, this way we can use magnetic nano rings to harness - in an electric field - the composite angular momenta of these micro black holes and get back overtime more energy than it took to make the first laser. The issue with that is the energy emitted during total evaporation will be in the form of rays and as you saw in the last video it was stated that there's no way to turn a ray into a beam.

Unless you have ultra pure crystalline materials and can harness an effect known as ballistic resonance, as explained in this link:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/scitechdaily.com/new-physical-paradox-discovered-by-russian-scientists-ballistic-resonance/amp/

It was demonstrated that "mechanical oscillations can be excited due to internal thermal resources of the system"; with said internal resources being the crystal itself. Such excitation being the "amplitude of mechanical vibrations can grow without external influence" - that amplitude being the maximum amplitude of the blue shift we see in the photo they provided - "for example, the heat can flow from cold to hot. This behavior of nanosystems leads to new physical effects, such as ballistic resonance,” and this in effect will give you that laser you need to get started because as explained in the link this hot beam " first almost decayed, but then revived and reached nearly the initial level. The system came to its initial state, and the cycle repeated itself. "; because there are two points in a micro black hole, known as a dipole, where the energy realeased is a semi-beam that oscillatory excitation from ballistic resonance should chissel the dipoles into two lasers.

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Although there are ways to 'harvest' the energy of an existing Black Hole, if you are going to create that BH first, you will always end up with a net deficit of energy.
Even Black Holes have entropy.

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1 hour ago, MigL said:

Although there are ways to 'harvest' the energy of an existing Black Hole, if you are going to create that BH first, you will always end up with a net deficit of energy.
Even Black Holes have entropy.

I explained using the energy it puts out to replace it. It doesn't matter if there is an inequality in power output to replace it, this only needs a spark. Narrowing a beam's wavelength will eventually make another one even if it's just a single laser bolt.

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4 hours ago, IDoNotCare said:

I explained using the energy it puts out to replace it. It doesn't matter if there is an inequality in power output to replace it, this only needs a spark. Narrowing a beam's wavelength will eventually make another one even if it's just a single laser bolt.

You use energy to create a black hole. You get less energy out. Even if you pump that energy back into the black hole (or use it to create more black holes) you will still get less energy out than you put in.

It is no different than trying to recharge a battery by using the current from the battery. All you will get is losses from the charging circuitry and, eventually, a flat battery (or evaporated black hole).

You can't magically create energy from nothing.

(I'm going to ignore the videos because (a) they are videos(*) and (b) they sound too fantastical to waste time on)

 

(*) If they had something worth saying, it could be written in a few sentences. I'm not going to sit through someone droning on for half an hour, when I could read the same information in 5 minutes.

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3 hours ago, Strange said:

 (I'm going to ignore the videos because (a) they are videos(*) and (b) they sound too fantastical to waste time on)

 

(*) If they had something worth saying, it could be written in a few sentences. I'm not going to sit through someone droning on for half an hour, when I could read the same information in 5 minutes.

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8 hours ago, Strange said:

You use energy to create a black hole. You get less energy out. Even if you pump that energy back into the black hole (or use it to create more black holes) you will still get less energy out than you put in.

It is no different than trying to recharge a battery by using the current from the battery. All you will get is losses from the charging circuitry and, eventually, a flat battery (or evaporated black hole).

You can't magically create energy from nothing.

(I'm going to ignore the videos because (a) they are videos(*) and (b) they sound too fantastical to waste time on)

 

(*) If they had something worth saying, it could be written in a few sentences. I'm not going to sit through someone droning on for half an hour, when I could read the same information in 5 minutes.

It's not condensing a laser bolt, and any micro black hole will release enough energy but no continuously so you have to loop a bolt back into the center. This works because it is not the laser itself that becomes a black hole, it's the residual matter that contacts a very magnified and narrowed laser bolt. It requires only ultra pure crystals and convex nano glass to make a laser bolt that has a warped, curved path, to narrow that bolt. So it's not requiring any additional energy to produce the black hole, just heat and material already present. The area of this setup of crystal, glass, and residual particulates and heat will never lose those things.

Unless the black hole itself eats your crystals, which is why they need to be tethered by a miniature Birch star. A Birch sphere is like a Dyson sphere but with a black hole, and requires carbon nanotubes to maintain structural integrity while so close to an event horizon, it would have to tether by nanotube rods the clear convex materials that direct and shape the laser bolt made from the mini quasar jets made by the split second evaporating micro black hole. Unlike large Dyson spheres this is microscopic but overtime just as energetic as the large-scale thing.

Unlike on the stellar scales, matter on the quantum scale will be continuously renewed by vacuum fluctuations: https://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/archive/archive_2013/today13-02-01_NutshellReadmore.html#:~:text=These ephemeral subatomic particles are,some ridiculously non-intuitive stuff.&text=At the quantum scale%2C space,the wink of an eye. When a part of a laser beam, or a laser bolt with finite length, can't escape a continuous magnification effect, will eventually become hot enough to ignite these ephemeral particles into a micro-black hole which will produce gamma beams (quasar) that can be controlled into very hot lasers starting with a ballistic resonance (citation in OP) into a bolt that can loop through the magnifying glass until it is hot enough to recreate that micro-black hole after or the instant it's predecessor evaporates. There is no additional energy needed yet the spin of the micro bh will constantly give back energy if the said materials creating it are encased in magnetic micro rings 🧲 in the form of an electric field. So it's just a self-sustaining battery that uses quantum effects like beam narrowing heat gains and vacuum fluctuations to it's advantage. Narrowing a concentrated beam that does not expand makes it hotter the thinner it gets, with convex glass or ultra pure crystals it's just a matter of time before it gets hot enough to collapse quantum particles into a micro bh (see planck temperature) if ballistic resonance can finalize the concentration of partially concentrated gamma radiation released by said object in a dipole moment. On this scale it's a dipole moment which become short laser bolts, on the macro level it's called a quasar.

The only issue I see is that each time a micro bh is created the apparatus will drop toward the earth. You can either place the nano engine on a stand, but a more practical use is to get an eternally accelerating electron drive where the aforementioned magnetic micro rings are encased in an ultra-light oval surface with a hole in the bottom.

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55 minutes ago, IDoNotCare said:

It's not condensing a laser bolt, and any micro black hole will release enough energy but no continuously so you have to loop a bolt back into the center.

If you want it to continuously radiate then you need some external source of energy (or matter). Just capturing the radiated energy and feeding it back will not work.

56 minutes ago, IDoNotCare said:

This works because it is not the laser itself that becomes a black hole, it's the residual matter that contacts a very magnified and narrowed laser bolt. It requires only ultra pure crystals and convex nano glass to make a laser bolt that has a warped, curved path, to narrow that bolt. So it's not requiring any additional energy to produce the black hole, just heat and material already present. The area of this setup of crystal, glass, and residual particulates and heat will never lose those things.

Unless the black hole itself eats your crystals, which is why they need to be tethered by a miniature Birch star. A Birch sphere is like a Dyson sphere but with a black hole, and requires carbon nanotubes to maintain structural integrity while so close to an event horizon, it would have to tether by nanotube rods the clear convex materials that direct and shape the laser bolt made from the mini quasar jets made by the split second evaporating micro black hole. Unlike large Dyson spheres this is microscopic but overtime just as energetic as the large-scale thing.

This sounds like science fiction. It has no basis in reality.

57 minutes ago, IDoNotCare said:

Unlike on the stellar scales, matter on the quantum scale will be continuously renewed by vacuum fluctuations

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14 minutes ago, Strange said:

If you want it to continuously radiate then you need some external source of energy (or matter). Just capturing the radiated energy and feeding it back will not work.

This sounds like science fiction. It has no basis in reality.

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Moved to Speculations

 

Why can't the gamma radiation released in the dipole moment before evaporation be captured? In fact, just by being in front of the radiation the ultra pure crystalline material captures and concentrates these gamma rays via ballistic resonance. And if aligned properly the convex nanoglass can magnify a single bolt as well as loop or alter the trajectory of the bolt enough for a planck temperature to be achieved again in the right spot. Perfect place and time after the preceding singularity radiates it's mass into oblivion. There are just as many particles in the area no matter how many times you use pure laser heat to condense the quantum particles into a singularity.

 

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1 hour ago, IDoNotCare said:

Why can't the gamma radiation released in the dipole moment before evaporation be captured?

It could, in principle.

But however you capture it and feed it back to the black hole, you will end up with a smaller black hole and less energy than you started with. 

1 hour ago, IDoNotCare said:

In fact, just by being in front of the radiation the ultra pure crystalline material captures and concentrates these gamma rays via ballistic resonance.

It doesn't matter how much Star Trek nonsense you invoke, you can't beat thermodynamics: "you can't win, you can't break even, and you can't get out of the game"

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26 minutes ago, Strange said:

But however you capture it and feed it back to the black hole, you will end up with a smaller black hole and less energy than you started with. 

It doesn't matter how much weaker (heat per width) the laser is to start other than it will take longer to get it small enough to make another micro-bh it will still be the same size, because the same amount of material is absorbing the same amount of heat no matter how weak the laser is to begin with.

In fact, if all you start out with is a laser pointer the radiation from an evaporating micro bh should exceed the amount of energy put in, in the form of a blue laser bolt post ballistic resonance offered by ultra pure crystalline material. Not to mention two bolts, it should take less time to narrow them enough as they are already more concentrated than the laser pointer.

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10 minutes ago, IDoNotCare said:

It doesn't matter how much weaker (heat per width) the laser is to start other than it will take longer to get it small enough to make another micro-bh it will still be the same size, because the same amount of material is absorbing the same amount of heat no matter how weak the laser is to begin with.

Irrelevant. (And possibly meaningless.)

You will still end up with less energy.

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"In familiar three-dimensional gravity, the minimum energy of a microscopic black hole is 1019 GeV (equivalent to 1.6 GJ or 444 kWh), which would have to be condensed into a region on the order of the Planck length. This is far beyond the limits of any current technology."

Most red and green laser pointers used today operate at 1-5 milliwatts (mW) output power; they are Class 3a laser devices.

Most of the energy being used here is coming from the vacuum particles with mass themselves and the sheer heat of a narrow led laser so that's just the work of convex nanoglass which requires no energy. It would be different if this were on a larger scale where notable mass isn't just appearing from no where.

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You can repeat the gibberish as often as you like; You can't 'create' energy where there was none before.
You can't even break even; entropy always 'steals' some so you end up with a net loss.
There is no free lunch !

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1 hour ago, MigL said:

You can repeat the gibberish as often as you like; You can't 'create' energy where there was none before.
You can't even break even; entropy always 'steals' some so you end up with a net loss.
There is no free lunch !

Wrong!

That's all that's being "bag you're wrong" no bother to counter-argue the original details just completely avoided by everyone.

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Don't have to.
Conservation laws and Thermodynamics do it for me.
( and I got my 'training' in school; not YouTube videos )

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39 minutes ago, MigL said:

Don't have to.
Conservation laws and Thermodynamics do it for me.
( and I got my 'training' in school; not YouTube videos )

You still aren't mauling over any specific details you can throw a term at me all you want but if you can't apply them to address specific details it's pointless. 

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5 hours ago, IDoNotCare said:

hat's all that's being "bag you're wrong" no bother to counter-argue the original details just completely avoided by everyone.

Your "original details" are science-fiction word-said. There is nothing to counter there.

But conservation laws and thermodynamics prove your idea cannot work.

 

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1 hour ago, Strange said:

Your "original details" are science-fiction word-said. There is nothing to counter there.

But conservation laws and thermodynamics prove your idea cannot work.

 

1. What details are you referring to?

2. Again, can you give me an example where the thermodynamics are broken, other than "getting more energy in than out" you're avoiding the specific mechanisms involved. Let's start with beam narrowing for example. It was demonstrated that it's possible to narrow and it was shown that this made the beam hotter. Perhaps it was the conversion of a dipole moment in a thermodynamic black hole to beam concentration by ballistic resonance? What details are we applying the laws of conservation? Which laws of conservation!?

There's plenty context in the details to counter-argue

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