Hellbender Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 I noticed this a while ago and my curiousity has been killing me. What exactly does this mean? Is it a Monty Python joke or character maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolecularMan14 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 I believe that Sayo has a way with making a good joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolecularMan14 Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 But then again, I don't know if he referenced a source for the name, so as far as I know, he made it up *and I laughed very hard.* :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellbender Posted May 22, 2005 Author Share Posted May 22, 2005 *and I laughed very hard.* :-D Me too, but I am still curious as to what it is supposed to mean, if it means anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 It was from a thread in Evolution (which you could have found on a Search for Susan Gobblehat) where a troll was flaming Sayo: May I then assume that it is therefore perfectly appropriate to call you a pompous ass? Call me Susan Gobblehat if it makes you happy. I don't care what you think of me.Shortly after this post, it became his custom user title. It should be noted that Susan didn't even give the troll a warning for disrespect. I later banned the troll for excessive strawmanning and a trolly agenda in a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obnoxious Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 What's strawmanning? But it nevertheless explains who or what Susan Gobblehat is, is it just someone Sayo made up? Or is it just some English thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 strawman although im still a tad confused as to exactly what counts as a strawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 im still a tad confused as to exactly what counts as a strawman.It's a form of Red Herring fallacy, where someone uses something semi-related to the argument to throw a line of debate off-course. Where Red Herring leads an opponent down a path that takes him off-topic, Straw Man specifically changes the debate target from a strong position to a weak one: Dak: "Evolution has more scientific evidence to back it up than creationism does." Creationist: "Like suddenly a creature mutates a complex organ like an eyeball? Come on, evolution is totally ridiculous!" Notice the creationist invented (set up a man made of straw) a false argument different but similar to the original statement, then refuted that one (knocked the straw man down). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 a sneaky way to mislead/divert an arg into an ambush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severian Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Interestingly, in your example, Dak's comment is also a strawman, since scientific evidence is not applicable to creationism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Interestingly, in your example, Dak's comment is also a strawman, since scientific evidence is not applicable to creationism.They're everywhere! Actually, since I used it as the opening argument, it can't be a Straw Man. Had the creationist started the argument with, "Creationism is more logical than evolution", then Dak's statement would be a Straw Man, or a Red Herring at the very least. Didn't mean to hijack the thread. I wonder what Susan would think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 I think "Susan" made a thread (can`t rem where) about Fallicy in arguments not so long back, and I`m reasonably sure it contained some strawman data. eitherway, it`s worth a read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severian Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Actually' date=' since I used it as the opening argument, it can't be a Straw Man. Had the creationist started the argument with, "Creationism is more logical than evolution", then Dak's statement would be a Straw Man, or a Red Herring at the very least.[/quote'] I was assuming it was meant as an excerpt from an evolution-creation debate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MolecularMan14 Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 *All through this, Sayo sits back on his joke and laughs at our confusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 Muah ha haaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severian Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 You can't have a convincing evil laugh whilst being called Susan Gobblehat.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettina Posted May 26, 2005 Share Posted May 26, 2005 strawman although im still a tad confused as to exactly what counts as a strawman. Me too. If I look at average posts, all I see are strawman fallacies. So, I will wait till someone tells me I did it, I guess. Bettina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dak Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 hmm... i was gonna start a new thread in GD asking what a strawman is (as lots of people, including me, arent 100% sure) i thought id search the forums first, as i figured there could be a thread on it already, so i went to 'advanced search', typed in 'straw' and selected 'search titles only'. and this was the result. wtf? wheres 'straw' in the title of that thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiolite Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Many supposed strawman arguments are arguably just poorly presented (and condensed) rational arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phi for All Posted May 27, 2005 Share Posted May 27, 2005 Search checks post content as well as titles. Look further and you will see your search word highlighted in red. Strawman is very common, but easy to spot. When you make a point and your opponent sidesteps that point and raises a similar but non-applicable point and then refutes the new point, he is strawmanning. It's easy to avoid strawmanning. Refute or concede your opponent's point before you move on to other arguments. What makes Straw Man so insidious is that it's impossible to debate someone progressively who won't admit you may have a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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