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Well delete that post above I don’t think logical reasoning test has any thing to do with risk taking and cause and effect. A logical reasoning test measures your ability or aptitude to reason logically. Generally, logical reasoning tests measure non-verbal abilities. You must, through logical and abstract reasoning, extract rules, analogies and structures which you subsequently use to find a correct answer among a set of possible options. Not sure if logical reasoning will help, I don’t think it has any thing to do with this thread. As this thread is more about risk and cause and effect. I watched a video saying the origin and purpose of IQ tests are to see how well people do in school and your job. Where people with low IQ will struggle and have a very hard time in school and some subjects like engineering, physics and law may not even make it in school no matter trying over and over. And some jobs require a IQ test. And if you score low you will have hard time doing your job. I’m not sure if there is IQ test that tests risk taking /cause and effect. Do people that stay on the front porch of their home ready to shoot people that get close to their home in a tornado or hurricane understand cause and effect or are they just I don’t care I’m Superman type attitude that brainwash them self that nothing will happen. Same thing with business people and politicians? Where some one from medical ages will probably do better job or high school student than them.

Well I’m not sure I could be getting confused with logical reasoning test. A logical reasoning test measures your ability or aptitude to reason logically. https://www.123test.com/logical-reasoning-test/

Well from what I understand there are different IQ tests. The spatial IQ or Spatial intelligence is ability to visualize with the mind's eye the visualization of objects from different angles and space. This IQ is well mostly useful for construction and engineering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatial_intelligence_(psychology) That you may score high on spatial IQ test but low on other IQ tests or score high on other IQ test but low on spatial IQ. You also have Verbal intelligence useful for problem solving and abstract reasoning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verbal_intelligence The IQ I’m talking about in this thread deal with cause and effect and planning. When it comes to fire safety, food safety and pandemic response you don’t need hardship over and over to learn from your mistakes you can visualize problems in your head and outcomes before problems start and or what to do so problems do not get worse. People with this low IQ with NOT understanding cause and effect and planning and will experience hardship over and over and may not even learn from the mistakes as they don’t understand the brain is not built to understand why they are experiencing hardship. They may not understand you can’t spend all your money that you have to save part of your money for an emergency that if you get fired from work you will not be homeless, you can’t go on vacation every month you will be poor may be only one time per year and save your money for an emergency. If you build factory or office building and don’t put any money into fire safety and a fire starts your businesses can go down and you will have less money. As a politicians when it comes to food safety, fire safety or pandemic response so on they will learn the hard way and experience hardship. IQ test before you get a job or an IQ test before you can go to college or university? And most politicians will not be able to be politicians and North America and Europe would have much better Covid response. And Trump would not even be allowed to run or most all those other politicians and senators.

Why is it not a must that all politicians and business leaders have to have IQ of 100 and above. Bill out money to big banks and big businesses is socialism for the rich hardly capitalism under capitalism bad business should go for bankruptcy. And the free market will taker off making new businesses to do well. Now a pandemic like Covid, war, fire or disaster may be? And I use the word here may be? But they still should be required to have some money not businesses or banks living on the edge not having any money or cannot even shut down for short time. When I gone to school my teacher said people that have low IQ will live pay check to pay check because they cannot see cause and effect where people that have higher IQ will have money and plan for the future. Take politicians on food safety or fire safety again cannot plan the brain cannot plan or understand cause and effect the live for today attitudes and after many death and lobbying than understand and new law is well past. Same thing with Covid the countries that got hit hard with SARS and other diseases in the past had better planning of understanding cause and effect than Europe or North America. Be it food safety , fire safety , pandemic response or disasters like flood or high winds so on. That people with IQ above 100 do better than people with IQ below 100. But for some reason science downplay IQ in government or businesses like in the past.That people with a IQ above 100 do better understanding cause and effect. I remember people in cities and town that is well a small percentage stay in a hurricane on the front porch with loaded shot gun ready to shoot trespassers and they have to be rescued later on. Well again not understanding danger and cause and effect.

So any exposure to violence is bad? Seeing people fight, parents fighting, neighbor fighting, people fighting at school, violence in movies or TV or violence in video games. And exposure to this the person is more likely to be violent and get in trouble with violent crimes.

I think in the context of this thread we are talking about bigger crimes than crimes that just may be social taboo crimes. Crimes like robbery, burglary, assault, rape, car jacking, stealing, theft or shoplifting is very universal and these crime can be put into two groups like property crime and violent crimes. Crimes like public loitering, drinking in public, littering , parking in no parking zone, gambling, sex and drugs so on are more social taboo crimes that may be legal or not legal in some areas. But property crimes and violent crimes are universal crimes and are the biggest factor in large prison population and repeat offenders. One of the posters above said when kid growing up has exposure to family fights, domestic violence and people fighting the kid grows up being violent. Be it the kid learns and thinks this is okay to do or some how it has an effect on the brain and the kid that grows up the brain cannot understand right from wrong. So not sure what is going on here on the brain.

Wow I did not know that. But is most of the public and court system going to have the knowledge about these studies? Or are they just going to say they are bad person or devil person? That is problem when courts are made up of non doctors and Scientists. So How can this be fixed? I’m not sure if they would made up 1% of people in jail or 70% of people in jail. Unless one can map the person brain to see if there is any brain abnormalities or the brain is just wired different. If it confirmed these people may have very hard time not doing crime or it may be impossible not to do crime. And again not sure if they would make up 1% or 70% of people in jail. Same thing with chemical imbalance.

Well the start of the thread was what can cause crime and the topic of free will well came up. Members talked about factors growing up and poverty. Like if you got rapped than you more likely to rape some one, you being abused as a kid than you more likely to abuse your kids or being poor more likely to steal. The problem with US politics is conservative vs liberal. Where in the US conservatives will down play this. The problem with sociology and psychology is there is no tool to measure free will and it is not well understood. So the US conservatives just downplay it has junk science. As there no tool that can measure factors like if you got raped has kid you more likely to rape some one and how that plays part on free will. Or if you grow up being abused as kid than you more likely to abuse your kids. There is no tools or tests so US conservatives just down play all this. And brain injuries, brain problems or chemical imbalance is even more looked down among US conservatives as just junk science. That with out tools like MRI, CT scan or blood work the US conservatives will just keep down playing it as junk science.

Not good , the US is facing a doctor shortage. Base on this article the US has now less than million doctors https://www.statista.com/topics/1244/physicians/ With all the schools closed for the virus it looks like things are going to get much worse with shortage of doctors. To make things worse they now are sayIng there is less physicists and engineer in the world now. And now they are saying with out cure or vaccine life will not get back to normal. Well does this mean there is going to be massive shortage of skilled people with the schools being closed?

Not sure what you mean that the court will look into if the bad guy that raped some one was raped has a kid him self? And if so spend less jail time than bad guy that raped some one that was not raped him self? Or poor person that does shoplift spend less jail time than some on that is not poor and done shoplift?

not sure what you mean by communal living. Are you saying most people from India live in communal living? Some parts of India lack water so that may explain the lack of hygiene.

not sure what you mean by that in bold?

The problem is this thread is turning into a sociology thread like is society, group, culture or bad upbringing, bad parenting or problems like being poor is causing crime. And free will here becomes murky problem as some say I was poor and did not do that or I had these problems did not do that and members blame weak character. Some support it and others do not or have mixed views on free will. Not addressing mental health or brain anatomy problem. I think the problem with public is they don’t believe in bad brain anatomy problem or a chemical imbalance problem. So support free. And thus why members are avoiding it here or some thing. Or that we don’t have CT scan, MRI scan or blood work to support bad brain anatomy or chemical imbalance problem and like to argue no problem so you have free will. And it becomes poorly understood problem with mental health.

I guess you need tools to show there is brain damage or some thing wrong with their brain than other people their brain or a chemical imbalance problem. The problem is the critics that say this is just theory and there is no science proof. Well why because if there is no brain damage and there is nothing wrong with their brain it is the same as other people their brain the brain is not wired wrong and no chemical imbalance than it comes down to other things that may be the cause of crime. If it is because of social issues and not psychology than people are going to be less empathy to the criminal. That if there is chemical imbalance or brain is well different it is beyond the person control and the person needs to take meds to not do crime. But I don’t think psychology gone that far to day say this today or psychology is that advance to day to say this so in the end this is just theories floating around.

I know there is not much information out there and there is lot of talk but not any hardcore science. But the theory why some people do crime and not other people is their brain yes the way their brain is wired and well some other people say chemical imbalance problem that these people have well really hard time to control his or her own self. And there seem to be this debate among people that some people say low IQ and other people say chemical imbalance. But is there well any agreement among doctors and scientist today? And well people who are poor may well steal or go around asking people for money at the 711 they are not normally violent or have hard time controlling his or her own emotion and pulled out gun, shoot some one or fight some one because you said some thing or looked at the person the wrong way or road rage or some one cheating on the lover. If it is the way their brain is because of the way their brain is wired or a chemical imbalance are they really responsible or because of low IQ? Unless the person did not take his or her meds to me normal are they responsible for such crimes?

With advance genetic engineering you could have human that is hybrids human / reptilian. But no just having sex or giving blood will not do it.at all.. It will have to be advance genetic engineering . I think he is watching way too many shows called ancient aliens on the history channel. I have one major problem with is . Why would advance alien be it lizards or not want to control or even be among such a primitive race? It is like saying if you could live or control people in the medieval time would you ? That just make this up star system b34 that say people there it is a medieval time period would you go? And a modern civilization like now 2011 to the medieval time would not be that mcuh a cap than say a advance alien civilization to are modern civilization like now 2011 , would be so much a major cap it would be a major culture shock . It be like taking person from a modern civilization like now 2011 and saying you going to be in stone age . Look if there are alien they may zip by like we send probes out but not want to live or be among such a primitive race. If in the future when we go from a modern civilization to a more advance civilization than first contact may happen.