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Health-care spending is expected to shoot upward over the next 20 years, forcing Canadians to make big sacrifices to cure the ill effects of this "spending disease," according to a report released Wednesday by the C.D. Howe Institute.

Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/health/Report+warns+health+care+spending+disease/4572530/story.html#ixzz1Irf64bfo

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What is your though on this? The health care is on life support now with long delays in ER and shortage of doctors and staff.

a gov has been pouring money into a "Cancer Research" centre, then that centre had better be producing some sort of results or the money will dry up. If you can't find a cure, then a new treatment will do as a substitute. If you can't work out a new treatment, then a report "linking" something, anything to cancer will still get a pass mark. If you can't show some progress somewhere, the money ends.

I'm sorry what do you mean? Are you saying the money going to cancer treatment is fake ? saying little to no Medical community progress in cancer treatment in the past 10 to 15 years?

These stats do not seem right http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/prod_consump/groups/cr_common/@nre/@sta/documents/image/crukmig_1000img-12646.jpg

And here are five year survival rates some more survival statistics, also from the UK.

http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/cancerstats/survival/latestrates/

All sites 66% +++++ ????

Breast 89% ++++++ 79%

Colon 65% ++++++ 46%

Leukemia 50% ++++++ 38%

Lung cancers 16% ++++++ 6%

Melanoma 92%

Non-Hodgkin lymphoma ++++++ 84%

Ovary45% ++++++

Pancreas 5% ++++++ 3%

Prostate 99% ++++++ 61%

Rectum 66% ++++++ 45%

Urinary bladder 81% ++++++ ???

stomach ++++++ 13%

Oesophagus ++++++ 7%

Brain ++++++ 13%

Cervix ++++++ 68%

Kidney ++++++ 45%

multiple myeloma ++++++ 24%

Larynx ++++++ 61%

Bladder ++++++ 71%

Colon ++++++ 46%

I thought most types of cancer have a 50% survivor rate ??

The one in bold are from the new stats site that seem much lower than the other stats I posted.

The Medical community progress in cancer treatment in the past 10 to 15 years is much higher than stats poste here.

Nonsense; we just increased our evolvability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolvability

Cancer and autoimmune disease was not a problem 100 years ago has most people would not live to 40`s and using evolution or god way there was no old people or nursery homes has people would be dead way before they got old.

All modern medicine is doing is keeping us on life support system but are body clock is saying we should be dead.Put it other way evolution or god what ever you want to call it people body was not built to live past age 40 and surely not to age 60's.

Well obesity ,diabetes and being fat is do to the modern world we live in.Well for infectious disease that do to people that go to ER for every time they get sick and those people should be locked in jail for doing this.

And also stong and tough people are breeding with weak people this does not help too.

Other one of those things that stress can cause thin hair , little hair ,lack hair or baldness.

Next it be smoking or drinking = thin hair , little hair ,lack hair or baldness than next smoking pot or not exercising.

What joke science has become today and most people will pay millions of dollars for drug = lots of hair.

why are humans so dominant in the world, why are we able to talk and communicate than lol

are we from monkeys or whats that piece?

Well humans have way more health problems than any other living thing do to modern healthcare took evolution out of the picture.The week and sick die and stong and tough live and we evolve to over come cancer ,autoimmune disease and other health problems .

Some other living things live way longer than people.

Look at modern world full health problems people in 20`s or 30`s have so much health problems now it sick.

Okay this makes me so bad today.

I think the media has all turn into little grade 7 kids that know nothing of science.

1.That look at US space program most people think we can live on the moon or mars this is just a joke.

2.Most people think we can do space mining or space colony again what a joke

3.Most people think we can go to mars in 5 or 10 years from now again what a joke

4.Most people think we can have moon base or base on mars in 10 to 15 years again what a joke

Now that look at other science .

1.Most cancers out there there is cure what a joke !!!!

2.Most autoimmune diseases we can treat the problem again what a joke

3.Most trips to ER we can treat or cure it what a joke .

It is more 1 in 3 in ER we can treat or cure .

What is wrong with people today and the media.

The difficulty of cancer treatment is that the same named cancers are not the same. We classify some cancers into small groups. But individual cancers are not all same. There are many kind of mutations in the same group cancer. We can only predict the cancer behavior, but it is not all correct. Individual therapy, then how we can predict a patient cancer progress and suitable therapy, we only can predict the gene group property, and that has been developed small recently.

There are 300 types of cancer and the vast majority have a 50% five year survival rate and the non majority are from one spectrum to 80% higher to other spectrum of only 10% or 5%.

The cancer of lung , pancreatic , stomach ,prostate cancer are 99% a death disease.

I think the media has clouded your brain we live in high tech world where most trips to ER there is cure this just wrong.In fact modern medicine has no idea what do with cancer and autoimmune disease.

The modern medicine may understand alot now how the human body works but don't have any idea how fix it .This is problem with media that shows we live in a high tech world so we think modern medicine should be like that.This is just wrong.

Well there has been no cancer progress in lung cancer, pancreatic cancer , stomach cancer ,prostate cancer and cholangiocarcinoma cancer in the past 5 to 10 years

You tell my looking at the stats.

ere are the five year survival data from the ACS 2008

All sites 66%

Breast 89%

Colon 65%

Leukemia 50%

Lung cancers 16%

Melanoma 92%

Non-Hodgkin lymphoma64%

Ovary45%

Pancreas 5%

Prostate 99%

Rectum 66%

Urinary bladder 81%

stomach

cholangiocarcinoma

So yes you are right there has been little to no cancer progress .

Note that I said that teen pregnancies carry increased risk for infant death and did not give any indication of possible causes.

 

 

 

This may not be that obvious as bodily changes are still happening between age 12-16, where the largest increase in infant mortality was observed.

For some reason the US has very high case of infant death in the ER.

Hay all there are some really good video on this at youtube and I know the learning channel like discovory talks about this.

What do you think.

EDMONTON — A University of Alberta astronomer and his team have uncovered “weird” physics inside a neutron star in the Milky Way Galaxy.

Craig Heinke and his colleagues have discovered the core of the Cassiopeia A neutron star — the remains of a supernova — contains a frictionless superfluid that seems to defy gravity, as well as a superconductor that keeps electricity flowing without ever losing energy.

Scientists had long suggested this “weird state of matter” might exist inside the cores of neutron stars, but there had been no direct evidence of it before, Heinke said Sunday.

Read more: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/technology/Weird+physics+found+frictionless+fluid+inside+neutron+stars/4356331/story.html#ixzz1FKPrdYCj

A researcher with the name of Dr. Million Mulugeta might have found a way to make a million or much more. It's very early yet but Dr. Mulugeta of UCLA reports that while conducting a study on stress he and his research team managed to find a cure for baldness in mice. They released their findings in February of 2011.

Dr. Mulugeta says the compound they used on the mice was not intended to do anything at all for hair loss, or rather fur loss, but for stress. The mice had experienced their hair/fur loss while being genetically altered to produce extra stress hormones for the purposes of the research.

Read more at Suite101: Feb. 2011 Study: Hair Loss in Mice Reversed, Human Tests Next http://www.suite101.com/content/feb-2011-study-hair-loss-in-mice-reversed-human-tests-next-a353659#ixzz1FKOsM9x6

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Wow what does this mean for people that have little to no hair?

I thought Scheerer's phenomenon was is the appearance of tiny bright dots moving quickly along when looking into blue light or very bright out side?

And visual snow is like snow like appearance does not matter if it is bright or not.There is no cure for Scheerer's phenomenon and visual snow yet .

The dots are due to the white blood cells that move in the capillaries in front of the retina from what I understand.

my last question I thought digestive tract was 5 to 8 hours ? For past 3 days I got a upset stomach 2 hours after eating the same food.

I thought 2 or 3 hours the food would not even be in the small intestine yet that lone the bigger intestine ?

No I was saying that link what does aging and living longer have to do with cancer?

ghly speaking, the mechanisms that can possibly control aging are opposite to those that cause cancer. For example, loss of telomeres is associated with aging. Artificially lengthening the telomere can make the organism live longer but can also increase the risk of cancer. Cancer cells have long telomeres (or telomeres that don't shorten with time). Or apoptosis: reducing the rate of apoptosis can save functional cells and improve function in aging, however, it can also retain cancerous cells (that would otherwise have been eliminated).

okay this what I wanted to know.

Why evolution of people they are getting bigger ,taller and bigger heads over time?

The sad fact is that lifespans are now starting to level off, and in some population groups, such as poor white males in North America, they are even beginning to decline now for the first time since records started to be kept. So far from extending lifespans, I believe we are now in an era when in developed countries the gains made in previous generations from improved nutrition, hygiene, infection control (sulfa drugs, antibiotics) will start to be eroded by our inability to address new problems like the diabetes epidemic, the skyrocketing increase in renal failure, the increasing rates of some types of cancer, etc

Yes if the public know about cancer ,diabetes , obesity ,skyrocketing increase in renal failure not to say now autoimmune diseases the government will declare the state of emergency.Look at that video above saying every 30 seconds some one is dying of cancer in the US.

Your thesis of technology-assisted human intelligence that leads to an extended lifespan is fun and has been explored (with less biomedical factual support) in science fiction. However, a species can eliminate itself by overpopulation, environmental degradation, and resource depletion, and we humans appear to be working very hard to accomplish this very thing. Even, without extinction, these factors could easily disturb technological society enough to stop the hypothetical progress you suggest. SM

sorry what do you mean? humans have bigger brains now and taller and much bigger.

We were more complicated when our vestigial coccyx was a complete tail, useful for balancing, as in dogs and cats today.

Well bigger animals live longer than small animals or rodents.The bigger the mass the longer you live that is basic evolution.

Like the other poster here say it not going happen it is scfi.

I have done some reading and writting my own report on this .

This was I wrote to other message boards.It sad but this is reality you would get nobel prize in physics if you even come up with theory on hard to bring the space cost down than alone test and build it !!! In other words no one has theory that alone of putting theory on black board in to the real world of testing and building it.

It has come up here and on other message boards on warp drive ,space mining ,space colony and starships .Also on TV show Sci Fi Science: Physics of the Impossible and the book physics of the impossible by Michio Kaku .

Here is what I wrote .

Yes I'm fan fan of the TV show Sci Fi Science: Physics of the Impossible and the book physics of the impossible by Michio Kaku !!

I think there was some bad flaws on his part has it is premature to talk about starship ,warp-drive ,space mining and space colony to the number one problem is to bring the space cost down to open up acess to space. Has of now only 3 countries can go in space no more than 5 times a year that cost money like a leaky faucet .Not to say lobbyist hard at work to do away of man space-flight and go with space probes.

The reason the space program has not done much in past 50 years is cost .And space mining or 5% or 10% of the people on earth going into space is prohibited expensive.

The number one problem is to bring the space cost down to open up acess to space. Than we can work on harder stuff like starship ,warp-drive ,space mining and space colony that is much harder and will take longer.Why because as of now not even less than 1% of people will have money to go into space and lobbyist hard at work.When the space cost goes down more countries can be putting people into space every week or more than every two months.

I feel he did not say much about the space program and discusess enough about the propulsion system. It is to bad but Ion propulsion or plasma propulsion does not have enough thrust to lift any thing from earth.And laser propulsion and microwave propulsion cannot work in space has it is energy and not mass .Not to say it needs gigawatt power and that much power the craft would be power station and inpossible to make floating power station.Well fusion propulsion no point talking about that to we get working fusion .And anti-matter way too costly and cannot be stored or used as a fuel .It take long time if it is even inpossible to make anti-matter cheap and find out a way to store it and use it has a fuel.

And fission propulsion may work but people fear fission .In the end we only have chemical propulsion to get in space and it is coming to brick wall with being more fuel efficient and lower cost .In the future when the engineering problems are solved if they are solved than may be they can look into ant-matter and fusion propulsion .

Other than that it is hope fringe propulsion one of them to out to be real like negetive energy or negetive matter and no one has made it or seen it in world , so may be one day we may make it !! Now levitation or anti-gravity no one has made it or seen this in world so may be it is real but no one has discovered it yet.And megnetic propulsion well we do not know how to make a monopole.

If not and we find no other propulsion than space mining ,space colony ,warp drive and star ship is very much going to be scfi.

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To bad but in end we are long long long long long way away of warp drive ,space mining ,space colony and starships if impossible .

Sorry but what does aging and living longer have to do with cancer?

You do realize that D H is an Aerospace Engineer, right? Probably one of the most qualified persons in this forum to discuss this topic with you? If he keeps insisting that other ideas are implausible at this moment, it's best to meet that with some belief. By all means research his claim, but he is most likely correct.

That is not the point his cutty behavior is inappropriate behavior for these groups.It does not take much to sum up I have no knowledge of rocket science and I have english problem has I'm having hard time understanding the replies here given to me of the engineering problems of the other propulsion system.I ask 2 or 3 times for confirmation of my ability to understand the reply given to me and has gone up in smoke.

It is one thing to say we cannot use this propulsion system do to xx but he seems to come off has a preacher of chemical rockets and he seems to think he knows more than what NASA,airforce and most mainstream scientist of what they are doing..He is also doing same to Moontanman posts and some of the other members here.

So I'm done with this thread it is not going anywhere , I will take my questions on this to other message board where the air is not contaminated and where some one is not preacher .

It is too bad that this thread has gone like this but it has .And I don't think the discusses with DH can go on has the last 3 or 4 post was kinda of rude posts here.And I think there is language problem here too that is also causing the posts here to go like this.

Well you guys can post in this thread and discusses what ever has I'm done here , please do not reply to my post here but PM me has I'm scared any more posting will get this thread locked or turn into flame war.

Moontanman that is why I'm not going to debate any more with DH has it is just leading to rude posts has he seems to have some fetish to chemical rockets and any thing other than chemical rockets is crackpot idea.He also seems to think I have a fetish to laser and want space mining and space colony ASAP.

I will take back that comment of trying to get to stange 2 and if we can get space cost down by 50% that would be major breathgrouth so it go like this.

1. Race that learns how to go in space ( satellite,space probes ,robots.spacewalk and space station.

1A Race that learns how to bring space cost down so we can go in space more and do more things

2. Race thant learn how to bring the cost down more so it can take of like the steam engine or combustion engine to open up space for the majority and allow space mining and space colony

3.Race that larns how to travel from one star system to other star system like in star trek

I will take back that comment of majority of people on earth going into space even 10% of the people on earth going into space and space mining and space colony has we are way way way too primitive to try to do this but may be advanced enough to try to research to get to stange 1A .

Also to be fair there is research going into space plane/ rocket a space plane/rocket on a rocket the rocket takes it up into space and the space plane/rocket unhooks and shoots off has little fuel is needed in space so you do not need a big fuel tank .Other is plane takes off and use a jet engine to x altitude and than the rocket engine kicks in and other is like Virgin Galactic a space plane/rocket on plane that takes it up to x altitude and the space plane/rocket unhooks and shoot off .

You Blue Origin the Blue Origin New Shepard reusable launch vehicle is a manned rocket which is being developed by Blue Origin the New Shepard craft is planned to be a vertical take-off/vertical landing it is SSTO a DC-X.You have Kankoh-maru vertical takeoff and landing, single-stage to orbit, reusable launch vehicle and Dream Chaser planned crewed suborbital and orbital spacecraft being .So yes there is lots of stuff happing in the private sector and some of these may be only LEO now but over years they will learn and go in space.They will bring the cost down and take up rich people and do more what are government cannot do has governments are not good at doing things like the private sector other than war time and fear of death .

But the reason I did not talk about it or have a big party with champagne and cake has I do not think they will bring the cost down enough .Yes a new small space shuttle ,SSTO and space plane/rock combo,reusable launch vehicle will bring cost down but I do not think it will be enough and the same with space-x.There is only so much you can do with chemical.

The car engine like the jet engine has moving parts that is why every year it is more fuel efficient has they making less moving parts and a rocket engine is more like plumbing and next to impossible to make more fuel efficient other than they could do is build better nozzles and valves not say new stong lightweight material with advanced chemistry and nanotechnology.But still I do not think this will bring the cost down enough.

That is why NASA and agency are looking into other propulsion systems not say mainstream scientist are starting to look into other propulsion systems.But this poster DH is saying everyone at NASA and other agency not say airforce and mainstream scientist are all crack pot ideas and chemical rockets are the only way too go ,and he saying get of scfi and I'm sure he is a lobbyist that wants to do away of human space flight and go to space probes ,robots and hubble only.

That is why I will not debate any more with him has he has a fetish to chemical rockets and he is not replying in constructive manner that me explain some of the engineering problems of the other propulsion systems why it is scfi now and why it is not reality now.

I will like more information on the space elevator and launch loop the engineering problems and the only thing I read on the space elevator if the cable snapped it would do massive damage I guess do to it being so high so it may be safety why they will not build it in the future even if we had technology to build it very high.

Also note I was kinda harsh with DH I would not want to get my posts removed or reputation removed do to posting being kinda rude do to kinda miniature flame war of rude posting.

You don't need to explain anything. You are wishing upon a star, a star that doesn't exist. You are not qualified to judge the quality of our space program. I am. This is my job. Part of my job is looking at the big picture with respect to space exploration.

You seem to be not able to read I'm NOT I say again NOT talking about making a UFO, Enterprise D,warp drive or going to other star system?I'm qualified to say we are not close to space mining or space colony do to money problem and the last time I chacked not even 0.00000003% of people on earth have gone up into space. We are no where close to stange 2.

Chemical propulsion is what we know and what we use. There remains significant room for improvement in chemical propulsion. Ion propulsion and plasma propulsion have some promise. Fission propulsion has a lot of promise but also an immense amount of political baggage, enough political baggage to make it rather dubious that it can be employed. The rest? Pipe dreams, or worse.

Look Chemical propulsion and may be Fission propulsion if it gets enough money is the only thing that will take us up into space.In space we could use Ion propulsion ,plasma propulsion solar sails to take us places much faster.

My advice: Stop dreaming and get real. The space programs we have today are not the stuff of science fiction movies. So what? They are real. There is a lot of exciting stuff going on right now. If you would just take off your sci-fi glasses you would see.

Read my post again .What is wrong with trying to get to stange 2? No you false all scfi shows are stange 3 not stange 2.You do not seem to know too much about scfi .

You could categorize any space race in 3 stages .

1. Race that learns how to go in space ( satellite,space probes ,robots.spacewalk and space station.

2. Race thant learn how to bring the cost down so it can take of like the steam engine or combustion engine to open up space for the majority and allow space mining and space colony

3.Race that larns how to travel from one star system to other star system like in star trek

We are in stange 1 and have not found any technology or propulsion system to take us to stange 2.

You refuse to see, so I am done with this thread

No you seem to be worked up that I'm hooked on laser propulsion and derailing every post I make.

Also you did not say any thing about space loop ,,launch loop ,space gun and space fountain and any thing more on the space elevator why these thing will not work.

You not looking at the big picture so that me explain .The propulsion system are fusion propulsion ,fission propulsion , laser propulsion ,chemical propulsion ,Ion propulsion , plasma propulsion ,microwave propulsion ,anti-matter propulsion also many types of laser propulsion all mainstream what scientist are talking about .

The fringe propulsion are negetive energy/negetive matter,levitation,anti-gravity or megnetic propulsion and I will explain later .

Well we can put Ion propulsion or plasma propulsion in the trash can has the thrust is too low to take stuff up into space.And it looks like laser propulsion and microwave propulsion is going in the trash can too.

We do not have fusion so there is no point putting money into that to we get a working fusion power station. And anti-matter ( very very very costly (way more than chemical propulsion) , very hard to make and cannot be stored has fuele has we do not know how to store it yet.It is very very costly and even if in 50 or 100 years we can make anti-matter very cheap and can store it and use it like fuel well it will be banned in earth thus it can only be used for deep space .Has size of rock would destory all of New York city.No one will take that chance.

So anti-matter we can put in a trash can and fusion we will put on hold to we get a working fusion power station.

And fission propulsion not read much about it but looks like it may work .Great we just put laser propulsion ,microwave propulsion ,Ion propulsion ,plasma propulsion, anti-matter in the trash can.That gives us only fission propulsion has we have no fusion working power station.

So all they have is fission propulsion and chemical propulsion.

Now the fringe propulsion is there negetive energy/negetive matter no one has made it or seen it in world so may be one day we may make it my chance you cannot give money to people to try to make some thing that is may not be real.

Now levitation or anti-gravity no one has made it or seen this in world so may be it is real but no one has discovered it yet or we may never discover it do to it does not exit.

And megnetic propulsion well we do not know how to make a monopole. So the fringe propulsion there is no point putting money into it because it has high chance of not being real and even if some of this is real we would have no idea how to go about research it !! So if such a fringe propulsion does exit it be discovered by chance has we have no idea about how to research it has there is no math or theory about finding out if this exits or not or how to go about researching it .

some other propulsion out there we do not know about like green water ,crystal or special element well it is beyond fringe and we have no idea if such other propulsion exit or not so no point putting money into it and hope it may exit.Well great we just ruled out no money going into fringe propulsion has I explain why above.

So that just leaves us with fission propulsion and chemical propulsion and may be fusion propulsion if we can get a working fusion power station .

The only non propulsion system is space loop ,space elevator,Launch loop ,Space gun and Space fountain and these are not propulsion system and I'm sure you going to reply here and say some of these may not work do to ***** **** ***

Great so that gives us only fission propulsion we can put research into or one of the non propulsion ie space loop ,space elevator,Launch loop ,Space gun and Space fountain and if you reply here and say this will not work do to **** **** than the only answer well thats make a war on poverty and hope we are smart enough to make everyone rich like Bill Gates if not well we will never go to stange 2 and stange 2 will be scfi.

Fine. Let those future generations solve those problems.

Read my post again ( that is why if I was commander of country I would spend money into rocket research and technology and still after 50 or 100 years of money going into rocket research and technology we still do not know if there is any technology or propulsion system to take us to stange 2. )

(as opposed to researching) technologies now that won't be used for another 50 years or more.

False if they found new propulsion system and fixed the engineering problem they would use it.No one knows what breakthroughs will happen or how fast the breakthroughs will happen or no breakthroughs .So putting number on it is immature of your part.

NASA, along with the US Department of Defense, Rokosmos, ESA, JAXA, etc., are researching technologies beyond chemical propulsion.

I'm sure they are !!

They are not pouring huge amounts of money into it for a bunch of reasons. They don't have the money, for one thing. For another, at some point pouring monies into research is equivalent to pouring that money down the drain.

Fine that do the same with medicine has it is pouring money down the drain to find cure for all cancer, all autoimmune disease and fountain of youth ,HIV so on not say the energy problem and mostly likely none of this will come true.

It takes one woman nine months to have a baby. Adding extra women to the task does not shorten the time.

What are you talking about what does women have do with space cost?

Your pipe dream of space colonies, space mining, etc right now? No, it can't

No it cannot happen now do to cost I was trying to explain that to you in my post above.

That most countries do not have space programs is irrelevant.

Well again you did not read my post ( Race that learn how to bring the cost down so it can take off like the steam engine or combustion engine to open up space for the majority and allow space mining and space colony )

The world majority would be the majority of people on earth.

Aside: Your writing would be a lot easier to read if you put some time into learning to write well. Watch for misspelled words (most browsers highlight them for you) and please learn how to use punctuation. If your native language is something other than English, it would help if you would try a little harder. If your native language is English, shame on you.

Learn how to dumb the replies to grade 9 level of no rocket science knowledge so I will understand the replies of the main engineering problems of laser and microwave so I'm not asking over and over here what is the main engineering problems are.

Here I will do the work for you .

ability to read and understand the replies here

The engineering problems with laser is we do not have a laser powerful enough and we need gigawatt power .So the 2 main problems with laser is it needs enormous power and we do not have a laser powerful enough .

Also the leaser will not work in space.So that is 3 main engineering problems why it is scfi and not reality.

And from InigoMontoya post on microwave saying that microwave like laser will not work in space has there is no air in space.

All you need do have done is reply say now nec209 you understand why laser will not work.Well I'm sure there may be other engineering problems too why laser and microwave will not work.You could say.

How is some one into learning science (no knowledge of rock science )go to NASA web site ,watch discovery or read a magazine so on see a post about laser ,microwave or space elevator and understand the engineering problems why this is scfi and will be scfi.

And yet you understand rock science and say I'm kid cought up into scfi world when I don't undertand not even 1.5% of rock science .I did not say building UFO's or star trek Enterprise D or in 50 years we will have warp-drive ? I could understand such a reply to those comments posted by me but laser ,microwave or space elevator shame on you.When even this mainstream scientist are talking about it.

Fine. Convince your congress critters to ante up, and ante up a lot. It would be good to remember that for almost 40 years now, NASA has been running on 1/10 or less the budget they had in the Apollo era. It would also be good to remember that right now, the government is in a huge financial bind and will not ante up. They are looking instead to cut everything except for Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and Defense. (In other words, they are looking to cut anything and everything except for the three things that really matter, but that is a different story.) That everything includes NASA.

It is more conplex than that most countries have little money to put into healthcare ,roads ,poor people and poverty so on than that alone money to put into space program.Also space mining is not profitable do to the cost is so high and space colony is so silly to think that will happen soon. It is not in the future will we have space mining and space colony in 50 years from now ,100 years from now , 150 years from now ,200 ,years from now ,300 years from now,500 or 900 years from now or 20,000 years from now the question is can it be down in cheap way and chemical rockets are like a alcoholic with are money .

It not when space mining and space colony are going to happen but is there a propulsion system that will make it cheap enough to make it reality.Has going into space is not cheap , space mining is not profitable and even space colony it is too costly for the upper middle class and yes even upper class to pay to go into space.

And yes a space colony sound nice but think about it you are living on the moon or mars you have to live in a futuristic dome city has if you go out of the dome there is no air to breath ,too hot or cold ,no water ,no food so on you will have to cargo all your food and water to your space colony not to say building material.Even vertical farming in the dome city may not be enough.My point is we can do all this but it be way way way way way too costly with chemical rockets to make this a reality.So it is not when space mining and space colony going to happen but is the technology or propulsion system that will make it cheap enough to make it reality.

You could categorize any space race in 3 stages .

1. Race that learns how to go in space ( satellite,space probes ,robots.spacewalk and space station.

2. Race thant learn how to bring the cost down so it can take of like the steam engine or combustion engine to open up space for the majority and allow space mining and space colony

3.Race that larns how to travel from one star system to other star system like in star trek

We are in stange 1 and have not found any technology or propulsion system to take us to stange 2.

The steam engine or combustion engine allow so much fast progress every year that is not the case with chemical rockets only astronautes can go into space and cost so much money it is like a alcoholic just to go to ISS for 4 days.

So the big question is there a technology or propulsion system to take us to stange 2 or does all the humans on earth have to be really really rich ?

That is why if I was commander of country I would spend money into rocket research and technology and still after 50 or 100 years of money going into rocket research and technology we still do not know if there is any technology or propulsion system to take us to stange 2.

Sorry but chemical rockets did not play out like the steam engine or combustion engine.

Mr Skeptic .InigoMontoya and D H I have said over and over here I do not understand rocket science and even if i understood 12% of it most of the questions I would have not ask here.Do to I'm weak in understand rocket science I still do not understand the main engineering problems to make this from scfi to a reality?

Only InigoMontoya post above post 72 do I come close to understand some of the engineering problems.So that me summarise if this is right ( ability to read and understand the replies here) .The engineering problems with laser is we do not have a laser powerful enough and we need gigawatt power .So the 2 main problems with laser is it needs enormous power and we do not have a laser powerful enough .

Also the leaser will not work in space.So that is 3 main engineering problems why it is scfi and not reality.

And from InigoMontoya post on microwave saying that microwave like laser will not work in space has there is no air in space.

Has for space elevator I read some where on the internet if the cable snapped it would do alot of damage to the earth.The engineering problems on the space elevator I have not read up on.

THat is exactly why I have taken umbrage at your opening statement that "the space program we have is a joke." You don't know rocket science, and yet you are somehow qualified to make judgments of the quality of our programs? Give me a break.

I don't need any rocket science to say my definition of space program is more than space probes,robots ,hubble and lucky did I say lucky enough money for a space station .My definition of space program is space mining, moon base and space colony and may be in the way way way future going to other star system like in star trek.No I'm not happing with the space program I thought we would have gone to mars by now and be getting into space mining and space colony now.

Nuclear light bulb rocket....

 

http://nextbigfuture.com/2007/07/gaseous-core-nuclear-design-liberty.html

It has an ISP of 3,060 and leverages existing technology to conservatively deliver 1000 tons to low earth orbit, 33% of its takeoff weight.

 

It flies to space with a thousand tons of cargo, and flies back using some gentle aero-braking and its thrusters with another thousand tons of cargo

It does not say how it flies back and land?What is gentle aero-braking? Does it land like how it takes off?