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Very doubtful.

All I can tell you is it's not a flux capacitor...

Turns out the bot is religious....

Don't make me laugh! Talk about blowing your own trumpet! I have a couple of links for you John Help http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerology

Answer that question and then get yourself on the next flight to Stockholm....

"I'm just too F#%king AWESOME!!" Is not an acceptable answer to this

Doing anything affects the brain.... Eating baked beans affects the brain

Surely the best way to learn...

Oddly, I have just taken an interveiw where the guy appeared to have come straight from "the aprentice" buzz word masterclass If I hear the word "synergy" one more time today.....

This is actually a rather old idea

Well... I was going to be a little more subtle, but this will work.

HA! This made me laugh!

Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on the above questions?

"If I thought I had to do a whole other life after this one I'd kill myself now"

That kind of system would raise all kinds of questions - Why can a dog bite you and cause you harm, but I cannot? I can clearly smash up objects with my hammer that I cannot smash up with my face - yet I cannot smash up a face with my hammer?! It would deny the laws of physics. This in itself could be contrued as proof of god, which is surely not acceptable to god. A god needs belief not just knowing he exists because of the evidence. This again can be argued by the fact that you appreciate the good things more when they are complimented by the not-so-good things. If every day is a sunny day, then what's a sunny day? Again, the difficulty of the task is proportionate to the satisfaction and inherent value of its successful completion - I think that's important. Hypothetically, god could create you with infinite knowledge and power and to be infinitely good, but in the end it would be worth more to you if you had struggled to get to that point. You would apreciate it more. Yes, I suppose it does a bit.... But religion would say that his reasoning is unfathomable and he moves in mysterious ways Mysterious ways.... We have free will, we will chose whether or not we learn. Someone once told me that pain is the universe's way of reinforcing a lesson How would you, as a mere mortal, know that they were valid? The value of the knowledge is almost defined by how difficult it was to obtain - Don't you agree? Mysterious ways.... Like I said, because of the free will issue, maybe it's the only way? Even self contradictory claims can be backed up in this way. Think of something that cannot be done with infinite knowledge and power... Maybe we do know nothing of god. Maybe we've completely missed the point. Maybe that's part of the plan, who knows... I like your reasoning, but I feel that you cannot defeat god with logic, after all it's his universe right? I would love to see a logical argument that does disprove god, but I don't think it's possible. I am only playing devils advocate on this and already I can wriggle out of perfectly sound logical arguments (it pains me to do so, but is also quite satisfying), imagine what someone with more knowledge on the subject than me and backed with real belief could do

God gives you nothing, at best it is a placebo. You said it yourself in your opening post, you believe in a higher authority yet you are still bound by the same one as everyone else You have no more power or liberty as anyone else, if anything you have only imposed more restrictions upon yourself with your belief.

Another great argument! I will counter this when I have more time

Yes, but you were saying that space is a physical thing and that its removal would cause the chamber to collapse. I was merely pointing out that this is not the case

Magic?

I completely agree. I have posted some highly speculative material (perpetual motion, gravity as a fictitious force, time as a superposed wave...) just to air out ideas and things that I would like to hear other (more qualified) people's opinion on. These have lead to some interesting discussions and (I would hope) not made me look like a crackpot because I do not try to deny observable evidence or suggest that there is no gravity or some other rubbish... I mean, what would be the point of asking for an opinion if you're not going to listen to it?

What I'm saying here is that the effect you see collapsing the the chamber is not the removal of space but the difference in pressure between the inside and outside. The chamber is crushed by the weight of pressure outside it, not from the "removal of space" within How can you remove space?

Well, now we all hate you...

You're confusing space with atmospheric pressure

I see this as a violation of free will. If I use my free will to chose to smash your face in with a hammer and then find that no harm has been done to you in reality, my free will got me nowhere. What I'm saying is that the choice has been removed: I chose to harm you but I cannot - That's not free will - it's an illusion If god is good, surely he has to give you the choice? The point was about necessary suffering, natural events, however destructive, are necessary Hardship builds character, some suffering is necessary - you learn from your mistakes even more so if they are painful ones. If god has a plan, then maybe it involves people learning these lessons on their own and using their free will to chose the right path, as it were. Sure, god could make the choice for you, but it defeats the object. Again, this defeats the object of free will. If god wants people to make their own choices and learn for themselves then zapping knowledge into them is cheating True, but could that be detrimental in the long run? For example, how did you learn to ride a bike? I would wager it involed a bit of help and advice but mostly a lot of falling off the thing. You learned from that experience and came out the other side with a great amount of satisfaction at having acheived something difficult. Would you rob your children of that? If the ability to ride a bike were "given" to you magically it would reduce its value Even specific claims cannot be disproved (logic does not apply to religion). Example: Claim A: "god made the universe yesterday" Evidence goes against this claim, but if claim A then goes on to say: "Being a discreet sort of chap and not wanting to spoil the ambiance of the univerese he made it look much older and removed all evidence of himself by use of his magical powers" It then becomes impossible to refute claim A I agree with you here. Religion it seems does not like independant thought and values followers over thinkers. Again, I'm not making a case for god because I do not believe in any of it. I am only trying to show the impossibility of disproving religion/god. Surely logic dictates that if a being has unlimited knowledge and power it's methods and reasons for doing certain things could be beyond understanding by human beings. Again, you've made good points and argued them well, but anything backed by infinite knowledge + magical powers is going to be impossible to disprove Edit: I can't believe I've switched sides on this