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Your definition excluded postmenopausal, prepubescent, and all the others with non-binary chromosomes. It was so remedial it failed to capture multiple categories and thus was rejected. It’s just “she.” Not he, not he/she… just she. It depends on the sport and on the level. There is no one size fits all here. The ask is mainly that we seek those categories with the starting premise that trans individuals not face a blanket exclusion. Saying I tend to focus more on the 99.99% of this problem shouldn’t be conflated with ignoring the 0.01%. My words are right there. I simply don’t tend to focus on the marginal extreme categories since the others impact so many more thousands of lives. That’s not “ignoring them.” Yes. This. You can begin with the easy stuff like simply using the pronouns they’ve asked others to use. Right now, it’s like they’re telling you their name is Kunta Kinte and you keep calling them Toby.

There’s certainly an ugliness on display here, but it’s not those talemted women who have fought their entire lives to become as globally elite as they are.

A microscopic roundworm that spent the last 46,000 years in suspended animation deep in the Siberian permafrost was revived then started having babies in a laboratory dish https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2023/07/27/nematode-revived-siberian-permafrost/

Or that the evil woke libtards are trying to force your children to be trans and worse!! they’re doing it to gain unfair competitive advantages in sports… Gasp!!

Of course. It’s far easier to turn us against each other with tribal culture war issues so we’re distracted while they act as grifters looting the civil coffers than it is to do the hard work of governance addressing famine, drought, climate change, poverty, economy, etc. Start with the premise that we both can AND should do this, accept that allies come in many forms and those relationships must be nurtured, and refuse to give up. Perseverance, tenacity, and stamina in battling back the forces of ignorance and hatred against trans people.

Since only like 12 humans get to elite level sports, my comments on this topic tend to focus more on lower less elite categories where state legislatures, local school districts, community sporting clubs, and many others are painting trans athletes as bogeymen who MUST be prevented from competition. I know you're not in this camp, but I'd wager it comprises 99.99% of the athletes impacted by this issue. I'm not as interested as you seem to be in focusing on the marginal remaining 0.01% of the challenge.

Unfortunately, there's more artificial selection involved here than natural selection. Bad actors, bots, and active state sponsored disinformation campaigns are ruining the internet and the minds of many millions of humans using it.

It’s hard using reason and logic to argue someone out of a position at which they arrived using neither.

Hasty generalizations are always wrong all the time and this never varies. Not ever. Not once. Never. I don’t accept your premise. I bet we also define science differently

Rightly so, because you’re not a fast enough runner. You don’t qualify because you’re too slow, not because you happen to be trans.

Bad source data, surely

Separate is, by definition, inherently unequal. See also; Brown v Board of Education Agreed. Glad you received it the way I did. It can be tweaked, but gives an extremely useful framework from which to build.

Separate but equal isn’t equal at all

Of course I could if I dug around for them, but as this is just a discussion forum unlikely to change the parts of the world I’d like to see changed, I see the ROI of such an effort as nearly zero and consequently also have zero plans right now to use my time doing so. Cato took a swing at it last fall though: https://www.cato.org/regulation/fall-2022/transgender-athletes-fair-competition-public-policy#analyzing-performance-factors

I was once in a plane that lost cabin pressure and was barreling at several hundred mph toward a sharp rocky mountain outcrop, but wasn’t sure whether or not it was safe or risky to strap on the parachute before jumping out into a skydive because it was old and only deployed 98% of the time.

I’ve suggested no conspiracy .

No. The ones which with high probability listed then after that voted against those ideas (or had one senior leader veto them)… Ideas for thresholds to inclusion were SURY introduced by members of those panels… members far more expert than myself on which metrics make sense for the various different sports and performance categories. This is my speculation. It seems likely. It seems VERY likely. No, I cannot provide a citation. It’s a conjecture. A hypothesis. An informed suggestion based on how humans making rules for large revenue generating organizations tend to behave. Just bc they didn’t agree on metrics for inclusion in the final language of that one publication doesn’t mean that high quality ideas for inclusive metrics weren’t shared nor advocated for during the lead up to that press release.

I’m sure there are meeting minutes and emails and follow ups from those Olympic committees you cited above.

That politics and emotions often get in the way of us hearing and successfully implementing intelligent ideas. It tells me that too often humans sacrifice the good in pursuit of the perfect… The demand of perfection becomes the enemy of progress and the status quo continues to thicken.

I said: “My position throughout has been that it's entirely possible to design and implement sports division qualification thresholds and guidelines which allow for transgender inclusion. This position remains entirely valid despite my stipulation that I personally lack sufficient expertise to design those aforementioned guidelines personally myself.” THEN JCM said: There’s just no way you can think this is possibly true… “Welp… I can’t figure this out, nor can iNow… that obviously means not a single human can nor ever will.” Seriously?!? Absolutely. Most of us are, especially if we allow ourselves to get passed the nonsense and tribalism and trolls and focus instead on where we’re allies. ✌🏼

It doesn’t matter what you call it. Call it Loretta for all I care. Nobody gives a shit about calling it a rainbow, apparently except you. This is about accepting trans people, into sports and also into our society more broadly. You’re offering further evidence about why this is harder than it needs to be.

Deadly? I wouldn’t classify the whole bag as safe even if it just had one of these (very real) items released today by French’s and Skittles:

Just being lighthearted. It’s not like I was planning on stealing a locked bicycle in the near future.

They come in all different sizes. I suppose I could go measure mine? Anyway, when all else fails: