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Bad source data, surely

Separate is, by definition, inherently unequal. See also; Brown v Board of Education Agreed. Glad you received it the way I did. It can be tweaked, but gives an extremely useful framework from which to build.

Separate but equal isn’t equal at all

Of course I could if I dug around for them, but as this is just a discussion forum unlikely to change the parts of the world I’d like to see changed, I see the ROI of such an effort as nearly zero and consequently also have zero plans right now to use my time doing so. Cato took a swing at it last fall though: https://www.cato.org/regulation/fall-2022/transgender-athletes-fair-competition-public-policy#analyzing-performance-factors

I was once in a plane that lost cabin pressure and was barreling at several hundred mph toward a sharp rocky mountain outcrop, but wasn’t sure whether or not it was safe or risky to strap on the parachute before jumping out into a skydive because it was old and only deployed 98% of the time.

I’ve suggested no conspiracy .

No. The ones which with high probability listed then after that voted against those ideas (or had one senior leader veto them)… Ideas for thresholds to inclusion were SURY introduced by members of those panels… members far more expert than myself on which metrics make sense for the various different sports and performance categories. This is my speculation. It seems likely. It seems VERY likely. No, I cannot provide a citation. It’s a conjecture. A hypothesis. An informed suggestion based on how humans making rules for large revenue generating organizations tend to behave. Just bc they didn’t agree on metrics for inclusion in the final language of that one publication doesn’t mean that high quality ideas for inclusive metrics weren’t shared nor advocated for during the lead up to that press release.

I’m sure there are meeting minutes and emails and follow ups from those Olympic committees you cited above.

That politics and emotions often get in the way of us hearing and successfully implementing intelligent ideas. It tells me that too often humans sacrifice the good in pursuit of the perfect… The demand of perfection becomes the enemy of progress and the status quo continues to thicken.

I said: “My position throughout has been that it's entirely possible to design and implement sports division qualification thresholds and guidelines which allow for transgender inclusion. This position remains entirely valid despite my stipulation that I personally lack sufficient expertise to design those aforementioned guidelines personally myself.” THEN JCM said: There’s just no way you can think this is possibly true… “Welp… I can’t figure this out, nor can iNow… that obviously means not a single human can nor ever will.” Seriously?!? Absolutely. Most of us are, especially if we allow ourselves to get passed the nonsense and tribalism and trolls and focus instead on where we’re allies. ✌🏼

It doesn’t matter what you call it. Call it Loretta for all I care. Nobody gives a shit about calling it a rainbow, apparently except you. This is about accepting trans people, into sports and also into our society more broadly. You’re offering further evidence about why this is harder than it needs to be.

Deadly? I wouldn’t classify the whole bag as safe even if it just had one of these (very real) items released today by French’s and Skittles:

Just being lighthearted. It’s not like I was planning on stealing a locked bicycle in the near future.

They come in all different sizes. I suppose I could go measure mine? Anyway, when all else fails:

I’d consider the process as analog, and it’s just that the sodium-potassium channels depolarize at a very specific concentration threshold

They come in smaller sizes easier to conceal and with only minimal loss in cutting ability

And I called the police on my wife for not rubbing my shoulders after a hard workout. Much like your report of a personal attack here, they laughed at me since no law was broken. I was simply explaining how we are differently approaching this topic. I believe guidelines can be updated to allow for inclusion in sports. You seem to believe otherwise. If I've misrepresented you here, it's not intentional. We're nearly 70 pages into the thread and as best I can tell you are not an ally in this fight. Should not the onus of this task fall to those seeking to prevent transgender competitors from participating due to "not meeting their personal misguided, outdated, remedial 6th grade biology definition of female? "

My position throughout has been that it's entirely possible to design and implement sports division qualification thresholds and guidelines which allow for transgender inclusion. This position remains entirely valid despite my stipulation that I personally lack sufficient expertise to design those aforementioned guidelines personally myself. As best I can tell, you're the only one here discussing "no restrictions." I'm saying the restrictions can be amended to allow for transgender inclusion in sports, not that zero restrictions should be used. Does this help us to better align on our views? The better analogy here is that the doctor mistakenly assigned you as a dog when you were born and you're trying to gain public acceptance to allowing you to more accurately identify as human... then other humans are blocking it, threatening you for seeking it, and excluding you from sports because of it.

https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/cv.html Read the above first, but depending on the nature of your uncertainty the following may feel more relevant https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/ap.html

With qualifications and merit based metrics for admission As has been repeated for months and years across these various threads…

I try not to limit my thoughts to such minuscule mostly irrelevant niches of society. Unlike you, I believe solutions for inclusion are available. This isn’t logically hard, it’s just politics hard.

Mostly the part where across nearly every relevant metric (improved health, improved self confidence, improved social and economic conditions, reduced suicidality, etc.) those who receive gender reassignment treatments fare FAR better in both the short and the long term than those who don’t (or those who suffer in silence or who fear doing what they feel is right due to risk of public outcry and backlash).

And tell me again when you “chose” to be classified as male?

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