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Thx for clarifying. That’s not something I’d have intuited.

So basically it’s wasteful?

It’s 91%. Why the recommendation to dilute first?

We’ve been hoarding ignorance for decades in this country. Planting and cultivating it. Harvest time is now here. What matters most to me is what we plant next season once the proverbial soil is tilled.

Ooh, where can we buy that?!?

We bought a few bottles of isopropyl a week before everything began shutting down. Now we put it in a spray bottle and hit our devices with a few mists each day.

Most people who want those things already have access to those things

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Sorry, mate. No offense intended. Didn't see a question, though. Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I'll need to think a bit more about this, preferably when I'm not plugged into the corporate hive mind of a 300+ person conference call in my ear.

If my wants are not mine... they are beyond my control... given to "me" by other outside actors and forces, then how is it in any way useful to call them either "mine" or "free?"

In which case, the virus compelling the organism to kill itself suggests our will is driven by external forces. The virus is just one example among many. We are similarly compelled by our gut microbiome, and by our hydration levels, and level of hunger, and intensity of fatigue, and level of stress, and ad infinitum... What we “want” is itself beyond our control. We’re not free to want different things. I know I’m repeating myself, though, and that you’re well aware of these things.

Depends on ones viewpoint. Your summary applies to some, but not all. Compatibilist v incompatibility, etc. You’re better versed on this topic than me, but it strikes me as a mistake to assert what you have as if it’s somehow incontrovertible.

That’s exactly the objective. Slow it down... so we have time to develop vaccines. Slow it down... so we have time to manufacture and ship those vaccines. Slow it down... so we don’t have a million people arriving at the hospital on the same day and overwhelming it. Slow it down... so hospital workers who get sick can themselves be quarantined. Slow it down... so the elderly aren’t so surrounded by so many densely sick people and so easily infected when they go out to purchase groceries. Slow it down... so only 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 people are sick (instead of 1 in 5 or 1 in 3) when life goes back to normal. Slow it down... so people can recover and not all be sick at the exact same time. Slow it down... That’s exactly the objective we’re striving toward.

Agreed, and apologies for my earlier abrasion.

Yes. And since then we’ve come inside. You’re really quite abrasive. Okay. That’s a shame. We like different perspectives here, they just need to be defended with reason and evidence. Btw - You’re welcome to stop posting, but you can’t delete your account. It’s just one of those things. FYI Did I at least correctly summarize your position? You seem to be evading that question.

I’ve reread your posts. You appear to be saying free will exists because of some stuff in the Bible that you won’t cite and the fact that a parasite can take control of the mind of certain organisms. The idea being that control by a parasite wouldn’t be possible if the will of the controlled weren’t first free Is that correct? If not, please restate the position you’re asking me to address, ideally without all the attitude and invective. I suspect I’ve already covered whatever point you’re making in this free will thread or in the many others in which I’ve participated, but perhaps I’ve not and I’m happy to continue the discussion... civilly.

Tmx3 - Thank you for all the negative reps and abusive comments on my profile wall, but the weather is nice here and I’m spending time outdoors with my kids. If there’s a specific question you’d like me to address, kindly please summarize it here and perhaps I’ll consider returning to it later. All the best.

Another retaliatory neg rep. Give me a break.

Then you should’ve PM’d him, but you didn’t. You entered open discourse here which means your ideas will be scrutinized and picked apart by members just like any other. LOL. I recommend you dial it back a bit and focus more on making better arguments than on making personal attacks on the people who dissect them.

Yeah. Put more simply, it reads like this: “I can voluntarily choose to avoid vomiting whenever I want to and no matter how sick I get. For example, every time I take epicac I puke.” Derp. Wtf

Unless you’re citing the Bible as evidence of human gullibility, willingness to accept as true internally inconsistent and contradictory messages, or the idea that popular fictions existed even thousands of years ago, then no. It’s not the type of “evidence” that belongs anywhere near a scientific discussion. Unless you’re saying humans would be somehow immune to this type of parasite, then this example actually speaks to the absence of free will, not the existence of it. It’s directly counter to the conclusion at which you’ve arrived for seemingly religious reasons.

You sample an early patient. You sample a later patient. You compare them. You see how much it’s mutated. You do the same for flu. You see if covid mutates as quickly as flu. How is this a question for you? Depends on human behavior

They’ll be mostly immune unless/until the virus mutates. Once they’re sick and recover, it will generally be safe for them to go out and socialize again... unless/until the mutation occurs.

Apologies if this has already been shared, but it's too good not to be sure. A dashboard with drill-down capability for infections and recoveries from Johns Hopkins: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Fair enough. Maybe this is better. Haven’t read it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuronal_memory_allocation