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Or, use their brains to engineer smarter solutions to magnify their strength... pulleys, rollers, animals like oxen, etc.

There’s so much wrong in your post it’s hard to know where to start. There are multiple kinds of tests so you cannot generalize about them all. There may be a handful of false positives, but those are orders of magnitude lower than the number of infected who can never get tested at all.

I know plenty of women physically stronger than plenty of men. It seems other variables matter and not just birth sex.

Also, incompetent grifters as leaders

Will you please tell me which other forums you post on? If you see Charon as typical, then I’d very much like to go visit them. They sound wonderful!

Thx for clarifying. That’s not something I’d have intuited.

So basically it’s wasteful?

It’s 91%. Why the recommendation to dilute first?

We’ve been hoarding ignorance for decades in this country. Planting and cultivating it. Harvest time is now here. What matters most to me is what we plant next season once the proverbial soil is tilled.

Ooh, where can we buy that?!?

We bought a few bottles of isopropyl a week before everything began shutting down. Now we put it in a spray bottle and hit our devices with a few mists each day.

Most people who want those things already have access to those things

Friendly reminder

Sorry, mate. No offense intended. Didn't see a question, though. Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I'll need to think a bit more about this, preferably when I'm not plugged into the corporate hive mind of a 300+ person conference call in my ear.

If my wants are not mine... they are beyond my control... given to "me" by other outside actors and forces, then how is it in any way useful to call them either "mine" or "free?"

In which case, the virus compelling the organism to kill itself suggests our will is driven by external forces. The virus is just one example among many. We are similarly compelled by our gut microbiome, and by our hydration levels, and level of hunger, and intensity of fatigue, and level of stress, and ad infinitum... What we “want” is itself beyond our control. We’re not free to want different things. I know I’m repeating myself, though, and that you’re well aware of these things.

Depends on ones viewpoint. Your summary applies to some, but not all. Compatibilist v incompatibility, etc. You’re better versed on this topic than me, but it strikes me as a mistake to assert what you have as if it’s somehow incontrovertible.

That’s exactly the objective. Slow it down... so we have time to develop vaccines. Slow it down... so we have time to manufacture and ship those vaccines. Slow it down... so we don’t have a million people arriving at the hospital on the same day and overwhelming it. Slow it down... so hospital workers who get sick can themselves be quarantined. Slow it down... so the elderly aren’t so surrounded by so many densely sick people and so easily infected when they go out to purchase groceries. Slow it down... so only 1 in 10 or 1 in 100 people are sick (instead of 1 in 5 or 1 in 3) when life goes back to normal. Slow it down... so people can recover and not all be sick at the exact same time. Slow it down... That’s exactly the objective we’re striving toward.

Agreed, and apologies for my earlier abrasion.

Yes. And since then we’ve come inside. You’re really quite abrasive. Okay. That’s a shame. We like different perspectives here, they just need to be defended with reason and evidence. Btw - You’re welcome to stop posting, but you can’t delete your account. It’s just one of those things. FYI Did I at least correctly summarize your position? You seem to be evading that question.

I’ve reread your posts. You appear to be saying free will exists because of some stuff in the Bible that you won’t cite and the fact that a parasite can take control of the mind of certain organisms. The idea being that control by a parasite wouldn’t be possible if the will of the controlled weren’t first free Is that correct? If not, please restate the position you’re asking me to address, ideally without all the attitude and invective. I suspect I’ve already covered whatever point you’re making in this free will thread or in the many others in which I’ve participated, but perhaps I’ve not and I’m happy to continue the discussion... civilly.

Tmx3 - Thank you for all the negative reps and abusive comments on my profile wall, but the weather is nice here and I’m spending time outdoors with my kids. If there’s a specific question you’d like me to address, kindly please summarize it here and perhaps I’ll consider returning to it later. All the best.

Another retaliatory neg rep. Give me a break.

Then you should’ve PM’d him, but you didn’t. You entered open discourse here which means your ideas will be scrutinized and picked apart by members just like any other. LOL. I recommend you dial it back a bit and focus more on making better arguments than on making personal attacks on the people who dissect them.

Yeah. Put more simply, it reads like this: “I can voluntarily choose to avoid vomiting whenever I want to and no matter how sick I get. For example, every time I take epicac I puke.” Derp. Wtf