Phi for All

Do you have any evidence that supports your "prediction"? The methodology can lead to surprisingly strong predictions, and it's one of science's best features, but it requires evidence to back it up, to make it meaningful and trustworthy.

! Moderator Note It seems like we've come to an impasse. Genady has scientific examples of truth without a god, and you refuse to acknowledge them. The discussion seems at an end, do you agree? It's pretty pointless from here on in.

I don't see how you can say this, and then say this: This "reason" uses none. You're misusing the definition of "conscious", stretching it to fit a situation it's not meant for, so it means nothing. You made up these "rings", constructing them from DNA and God. You know very well how little you know, yet you make these claims with total conviction, with your whole chest, so I don't think you know how much you don't know. Don't you realize ANYBODY can make things up like this, and that's why we have science to filter out all the unreasonable, subjective, and false explanations?

They're won't be deporting folks once the costs become clear. Count on detention centers for immigrants being used as prison labor. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/04/geo-forced-labor-lawsuit/

As someone who has followed efforts for the peaceful and sustainable use of outer space near Earth, I can tell you right now you are completely WRONG about this. It is NOT a waste to force anyone to comply with such studies. If we'd been more concerned with regulation in the past, we wouldn't have the problem we do with space debris, which Musk has made even worse by his slipshod, cut-corner practices. You jumped to a conclusion that these studies were unnecessary, that they're a waste. Are you going to educate yourself or keep pushing Elon Musk's talking points? You do know he's at the head of the fascist takeover, right? His companies stand to become favored by the state, which means he has no competition and can charge what he wants once he's in place. That's all the conspiracy needed. See Germany leading up to WWII. They'll be taking prisoners and forcing them to work soon, watch for it.

The pronoun, or the famous second baseman?

I don't know who said this, since you stole their words but didn't give a citation, but we have more slaves today, working in contemporary slavery, than in biblical times, so I'm going to give your biblical method a big thumbs down. Almost 50 million, around the world, and a lot of this is done by religious groups who have dehumanized certain people in order to "help" them, specifically by housing and feeding them, and getting some manual labor out of the deal. AKA slavery. In the US, lots of good Christians in the south base the structure of their towns and cities on slave prison labor, and half the churches in the US are in rural areas. Your god reformed all those souls, but didn't seem to be able to change their thoughts and actions.

This is something you don't know that you're asserting strongly, over and over. It really detracts from any point you're trying to make.

See also "Antifa" vs anti-fascist.

But your intelligence is. Intelligence and a good explanation will lead to more understanding. The geometry of space as three dimensions. We use those dimensions on Earth as longitude, latitude, and altitude, just like length, width, and height. Time is also a dimension we use, so we can accurately gauge how long something takes, or to mark when something happened. On our sphere, we use these dimensions so we can meet for lunch at noon on the second floor of the Eiffel Tower in Paris, for instance (latitude 48.858093, longitude 2.294694, altitude 507 feet, 12:00 pm CET/UTC+1). Spacetime is especially important off-planet, since everything is constantly moving in orbit around something. We need an x coordinate, along with y and z, to fix a place in space, and we also need the t coordinate to tell us when we're talking about. If we send a rocket off to an asteroid to land and take samples, time is critical, since the asteroid is moving and won't be at the same x, y, z place if you launch at the wrong time. It's all geometry, has nothing to do with energy or mass. As far as the Big Bang goes, we observe that the universe gets denser and hotter the further we go back in time, and we typically refer to t=0, but our understanding stops just short of that point, and we really don't know if that was the beginning of time and space or not.

rufus mosley has been banned at their request because our rules were too onerous.

I understand. You don't know enough real science, so you see patterns in the numbers and think you've made some kind of breakthrough that nobody else can see. I've seen this hundreds of times over the last 20 years here. You laugh while the rest of us shake our heads at all the time you've wasted.

Or, staff closed it because you rely on numerology for your arguments. If you want a different reception, use trusted science instead of this imagined pattern BS. You can persuade us, but NOT with numerology.

In this context, IT IS. We made up the laws, gave them names and descriptions, based on the way we observed the universe behaving. We didn't invent them, they were there already, but we made up a way to describe them so others could understand and the information could be passed down to future generations. Show me how this is wrong.

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It was assumed you wanted a conversation, not a pulpit to preach from. Enjoy yourself.

! Moderator Note Sounds like one of us would have to do a lot of work to keep this thread open.

Found them, made them up, discovered how they behave, IT'S ALL THE SAME! Stop playing semantics.

OK. I make a BIG distinction between practices that are less than optimal and need improvement, and those that are just wrong. Eating a chicken doesn't compare with, say, racial intolerance to me. One seems definitely more not-right. Perhaps if we can fix our intolerance for fellow humans, it will help us transition away from such reliance on the animal husbandry that allowed us to flourish as a species.

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Humans. Again, in the context of this discussion, humans. You really need to make the distinction between "human science based on observation and experimentation of the universe" and "the way the universe behaves". The former is all made up by humans, the latter seems to hold true no matter where you are (as far as we've observed). Let me put it this way. Before we needed numbers to describe the way planets orbited the sun, we needed numbers to tell how many sheep were in our flock. We had to invent new names for higher numbers as we needed them. Did the concept of those numbers exist before we named them? Sure, there were that many trees in a forest, or shells we found on the beach. But arithmetic didn't exist until we invented it. Does that make sense to you?

Thanks for clipping what I said before quoting me. It tells me a lot. You really are when you make these claims about animal husbandry in general, after we've (tried to) establish that current methods aren't sustainable or ethical. Aren't you saying there's no ethical way to keep animals for food, since it's all cages and prisons? I'll start another thread to talk about the pet prison system, and all the unethical treatment by billions of wardens suppressing freedom all over the world.

We definitely created the laws and equations. The maths allow us to quantize what we observe in nature (aka "what has always been"), using a language of numbers and symbols that didn't exist until we came up with it. We used languages of words to describe the laws we observed in nature. Stumbled across? How about we observed and wondered, then devised accurate ways to describe and explain what our senses and reason were telling us about "what has always been"?

But our best model of the universe, Lambda Cold Dark Matter, shows that the early universe was ONLY material. It shows that it took a while before the universe was big enough for space BETWEEN matter to appear. The early universe was NOT empty of all material, the exact opposite in fact. It was jam-packed. You have it backwards, you know, that's your keystone. The laws and equations are based on what we observe had been created, not the other way around. We observed and experimented and predicted, and then created ways to make our observations meaningful, and mathematics to explain and quantize them.

Are you arguing that animals would choose non-existence instead? Otherwise this is just a cheap shot using Misleading Vividness. We all know conditions should be better, but I find this argument specious and pointless. You absolutely CAN'T know their lives are shortened since they're more likely to die at a young age in the wild, and sheltering animals from other predators isn't exactly prison either. I have examples where humans have less freedom, even outside real prisons.