John Cuthber

57 minutes ago, Genady said:

The first definition, OTOH, does not require it and thus is easily tested.

Yes it does.
And it's the same definition of "God" for both definitions of atheist.

 

58 minutes ago, Genady said:

and to check that there is no God on this list.

If you don't say what God is, how do you know if he's on the list or not?
He might be there, but labelled as Allah.

3 hours ago, Intoscience said:

+1

So from this the logical conclusion is that its nurture not nature. 

No
The conclusion is "it depends what you mean by atheist".
There are two perfectly plausible definitions, and they give different outcomes.

Is there a difference between these two definitions?

"an atheist is someone who does not believe that God exists" 

and
"An atheist is someone who believes that God does not exist"

Ordinarily the statements are considered equivalent.

But, by one definition a rock is an atheist. A rock doesn't believe anything, so it doesn't believe in God.

A person who has never been told about God is in the same position as that rock. You can't believe in something that you don't know about. By that definition, they are an a atheist.

But, by the other definition, a rock can't believe that God does not exist. The rock is not an atheist.
A person who has never heard about God is, again, in the same position as that rock; they hold no opinion about the nonexistence of God and is therefore not an atheist.

The OP's question talks about nature or nurture.

Being told that God exists (or that some people think He exists) is part of nurture.

By the first definition, if you do not receive that nurture you are an atheist.
By the second definition,  if you do not receive that nurture you are not an atheist.

So the answer to the question depends very strongly on how you define atheism.



 
 

1 hour ago, exchemist said:

strength, 21.2 MPa

Tensile strength of steel is about 600 MPa.
Pure annealed aluminium is about 40 MPa 
Lead is about 17 MPa.
Bamboo is in the range 50 to 150.

This is a robot you could destroy with a wooden sword.

And what they have developed is a robot that would turn into a puddle of molten metal when heated in an induction furnace.

That's exactly the same as any other metal robot.

Headline should say "Researchers develop world's least scary robot".


 

I'm not sue r the question is well defined.

Imagine growing up with nobody ever mentioning God.
Until someone tells you that (they think) God exists or that He does not exist , you can't hold the position of not believing in that God.
Equally, you can not say that you do believe in Him.

It's like asking if you believe in a fungus that makes ants go mad.
Until you heard of the idea of such a fungus, you can't say that you do, or that you do not, believe in it.

Can you tell me if you believe in GRUGFLUNT?

If you like.
But rewriting thermodynamics as cryodynamics doesn't really achieve much.

People have given some thought to it.
https://lifeboat.com/blog/2013/07/short-summary-of-a-new-idea-cryodynamics

2 hours ago, Genady said:

How about geometry? From a study of shapes and figures to a study of coordinate invariance.

Actually from the measurement of the earth- a vital thing to do it the Nile kept washing away your markers.

10 hours ago, Sensei said:

this video wasn't about "apes and black people".. it was about "giving guns to the wrong hands that can turn against you".

Actually it was about "come and see our new movie.
Thank you for illustrating my point about how it will be misinterpreted without that context.

 

10 hours ago, Sensei said:

you truly deserve to be called an "ape" and not "homo sapiens"

Name calling ... srsly?
I expected better
 

10 hours ago, Sensei said:

but your hatred blinds you

Hatred of what exactly?
Have you leapt to the stupid conclusion that I'm racist?

 

14 hours ago, iNow said:

FWIW, I knew that you meant humans are apes, not black people are apes. 

On another note, can we please stop the meta discussions in joke threads? It really ruins the flow. 

It might be an idea to take the bad, unfunny video and the comments it provoked into another thread.
(And if someone was to delete that thread, it wouldn't be the end of the world)

Just a thought.
If I really wanted to make black people look stupid, I'd post that video clip without mentioning that it's fake.
I'd let people think that it illustrates a real incident where a group of people did something monumentally stupid.
(Rather than it being an advert for a film.)
 

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26 minutes ago, TheVat said:

In the United States, the comparison of black people to apes or monkeys, is a horrible slur,

Just as well nobody did it here then.

2 minutes ago, TheVat said:

And here we were just discussing, over in political humor, what lines can be crossed in joking.  I'm pretty sure you didn't intend the mindbendingly racist aspect of referring to black people as apes.  In the United States, this particular slur has a long and terrible history, and a person of color visiting this thread (or anyone, really) might well decide this forum is not worth their time.  I won't DV you, but respectfully request you be aware of why this post is offensive.

Sorry; I thought this was a science site.
We spend enough time explaining to the God-Squad that people are apes that I thought it was acceptable.

OK, I stand by my observation, but have clarified it.

8 minutes ago, TheVat said:

You Brits need to be aware, if you aren't already, of how terrible that slur sounds to a Yank.

What slur?
Are you saying the individuals with guns are not people or are you saying that people are not apes?
If it's the second you are factually incorrect.
If it's the first then ... I'm not the problem round here.

3 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

That video shows at least 4 apes with guns.

Would whoever marked that down like to explain why?
In particular, do they realise that people are apes?

That video shows at least 4 apes with guns.
Just to clarify things.
Guns were invented by apes and are almost exclusively used by apes.

I'm more worried about people who refuse to believe that people are apes than I am about a chimp with an AK.

7 hours ago, Sensei said:

You insulate your house against heat leakage from the outside (e.g. what is visible by taking photo), not from the inside.

No.

Cavity wall insulation and polystyrene sheet internal insulation show that you are wrong.
What you see on the outside is often brick.
And bricks are lousy insulation. They are structural, not thermal.

 

7 hours ago, Sensei said:

Are homes in Hawaii prepared for subzero temperatures?

Some of their buildings are
https://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Mauna-Kea/forecasts/4205

But that doesn't matter much.
 

7 hours ago, Sensei said:

Not really. You're talking about a completely different topic at the moment.

Then why did you introduce it?

7 hours ago, Sensei said:

..I don't think I'm making any riddles in this thread.. All I said was that Brits who want to pay lower energy bills should properly insulate their homes in the first place..

Do you really think that those who live in well insulated houses don't want to pay smaller bills?
The current issue with UK energy bills isn't insulation. It's profiteering (aided by a corrupt government). That's probably a bit beside the point..

 

7 hours ago, studiot said:

How many folks died in the Grenfell disaster because of this mantra ?

None. They died because some bastard wanted to save money and broke the law to do it.
 

7 hours ago, Sensei said:

You don't know enough about building insulated fireproof buildings

We have known for decades that you use fibreglass if you are worried about fire.
If you go back a bit before that we used asbestos lagging.
My 19th century house now has about 15 cm of fire retardant polyurethane foam in the roof.

What evidence do you have?

7 minutes ago, Sensei said:

Today the temperatures are -10 C at night, -5 C during the day and this is the equivalent of your UK +5.. +10 C

No.

In the UK -10 is equivalent to -10.
That's the point of having a standardised scale.

6 minutes ago, Sensei said:

In British houses I see only bricks.

That's a little like assuming that people have no internal organs because all you see is skin.

They usually use PTFE.

BDDE isn't going to be very stable- because of the two epoxy groups.
It's likely to forma a mess of different product when heated.
But "stable" is a difficult thing to define.
Stable for how long?

 

5 hours ago, Vrbo said:

Butanediol diglycidyl ether

Seems an odd place to start.
What are you trying to achieve?

It is certainly possible.
https://www.chemeng.uliege.be/upload/docs/application/pdf/2020-06/article_publication_ethanol.pdf
but the search fore renewables means that the opposite reaction is actively being researched.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cben.201600025

Sulphuric acid meets the criteria you gave but it may be unsuitable.
If you tell us what you are seeking to do we might be better able to help.

7 hours ago, lightforyoou said:

the max velocity of an electron is 10^6 m/s.

It isn't.
Why did you think it was?

2 hours ago, Genady said:

3 hours ago, John Cuthber said:

I think the question should be "would you like others to think you are stupid?".

Why this should be the question?

Because the difference between a show of hands and a secret ballot is not what you vote for , but what others learn about you.

On 1/21/2023 at 2:39 PM, Genady said:

For example, most drivers believe that their driving is above average.

It is important to recognise that they might be right.
For the same reason that most people earn  less than the average salary.

 

6 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Would you like to think you're stupid?

I think the question should be "would you like others to think you are stupid?".