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I didn't want you to say it. You asked for an example and I gave you one. Do with it as you please.

No. It is not just 'nurture'. 'Nature' is involved too. You are using outdated stereotypes to make your point. Still doesn't address iNow's point of this thread being about Secondary school.

Many Christian schools. This is from an older article but is still an example. https://www.ajc.com/blog/high-school-sports/girl-not-allowed-play-football-prompts-debate-private-schools/MWyiP8RkJVRROxSXeEOPLP/ What I don't like about this is that someone who identifies as female must play as males, and someone who identifies as male must play as females. Kind of like making someone use the bathroom that corresponds to the sex listed on your birth certificate.

What the different classes / divisions don't account for is the social aspect of sex. Remember, we are also talking about recreation leagues here. If all we are talking about is competition then I agree that anyone can try out for team regardless of gender. But in rec leagues (as we are also discussing) you often have girls who don't want boys being the ignorant turds that boys can often be to girls, ruining all the fun. You also don't want a team of girls where comparatively large and aggressive boys are tackling your littlest girls. IOW, if girls are not allowed a league of their own, many girls simply won't play, which is unfair to them. Not all people play sport for the competition. I played soccer into my 40's and one of my main goals was to not get hurt so that I could make it to the bar afterwards and to work in the morning. I agree that competitive boy's (or "open") leagues should allow girls to try out under all circumstances. (I think it is all...) I think there should be competitive and rec girls leagues that do not allow boys but do allow transgender girls under the aforementioned rules and guidelines I suggested. I'll assume you meant that "generally", because it is certainly not true in "any and all leagues".

No question that some girls can compete with (and out-compete) some boys for quite a while. They should have that option. I wasn't trying to suggest otherwise. The example I presented was a boy's team playing against a girl's team. My point was that we need segregation by sex as an option. Timid, slight 12 year old girls still want to get out and run around in the sun with their friends playing sports. At young ages playing sports is generally more of a social event than the thrill of competition or the desire to increase skills. A small and timid young girl is not going to want to mix it up with aggressive boys. She is not going to play soccer if her only option is to play against boys. There is a reason young boys and girls tend to separate into sex based play groups.

Because boys are generally faster, stronger, and more aggressive. Soccer is a contact sport. I speak from experience coaching 12 year old boys and having them play against 12 year old girls. Nothing dirty. That's just how boys play.

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I disagree. If a 12 year old boy's team is playing against a 12 year old girl's team in a soccer rec league, a lot of girls are going to get hurt and have a difficult time winning. What places don't allow teams to be made of all girls?

This is not about girls playing on boys teams, it is about trans kids playing. Because I feel the opposite.

In grammar school, trans girls should compete with cis girls, and trans boys should compete with cis boys. While I suppose there will be exceptions, this should be the general rule. In secondary school this general rule will continue except at the varsity level. Varsity level is where winning or losing could potentially have a significant impact on a person's life, such as being drafted in some sports, winning scholarships, etc. At the varsity level there should be additional rules such as handicapping, rules regarding level of transition attained, particular sports it applies to, etc. I am purposely not adding detail here because it is not my area of expertise and therefore would not be meaningful. The two general guidelines I am following are: 1. Transgendered students must have reasonable opportunities just as cisgendered students do. 2. Not everyone gets to do everything. Just like Title IX doesn't guarantee women will have the exact same sporting opportunities the men have, it does ensure a reasonable amount/type of opportunities. I am no expert and this is likely not my final thoughts on the matter. It does however seem like a reasonable possibility and a reasonable place to start.

I noticed changes with the last upgrade. Seems to depend on whether or not I've already read the last post, and also depends on whether I access the topic from the recent "Topics" on the top right, or if I access the topic from the "Forum" section that makes up most of the home page. Where I end up when clicking on a topic also seems to depend on whether or not I've posted in the thread.

I wonder which tariff plan the heavy people will choose... You sure you want to go down this path?

If you require people to get on scales to buy tickets I can assure you the airlines will have to deal with reduced ticket sales. Even some doctor offices are doing away with "weigh in". https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/02/20/weight-cards/

California is following Texas' model on abortion control to control guns. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-12-16/skelton-newsom-california-texas-abortion-law-guns

I don't either. But for the uninformed, when they see someone use the word "illegal" or "banned", they are now not only going to be uninformed, but also misinformed. Better to not let the sloppy (or misinformed) use of words pass.

Honest response. Thanks.

Well, it is more regulated than a handgun. Certainly not illegal.

Sounds like you are throwing in the towel. Are you just giving up or do you have any suggestions?

My son wrestled competitively in high school. He would occasionally match up against a young woman, and while I never saw a girl win a tournament they certainly had their share of wins. Just like most of the guys. But it wasn't just girls wrestling. Anyone who wanted to could wrestle. Some of the toughest opponents were the wrestlers who were amputees (legs). Since you wrestle based on weight class, the wrestler with no legs had the upper body strength to wrestle several weight classes higher. Once he got a hold of you it was a very tough battle.

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No one. J.C. asked if I was sure this was not a threat to women who complete at the elite level, and I answered that I was not. Try to pay attention. "Talent and ability" are neither unfair at the elite level, nor do American women have a clear advantage due to talent and ability. I have no idea what you are talking about. Um, are you following any of the conversations at all?

I'm not sure, but I also don't believe competition is 'fair' at the elite level anyway. For example, the US has a lot more money to train its women athletes in many other countries which gives them a clear advantage. The Dutch are the tallest women in the world. Some countries have better medical than others. I don't find the fact that a few trans women who compete at the elite level, competing under regulations specific to them, are a major threat to women's sports at the elite level. If I'm wrong, then this will be an experiment that fails eventually. But at least we will have tried, which I think is important.

And the dance continues. Where is the quote showing my "extreme PC" that I'm "forcing" down your throat? Either put up or shut up.

And the dance begins. Where is the quote showing my "extreme PC"?