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Geometry and Gravity Maybe geometry does change but in proportion way, that change alone likely doesn't result in gravity. Geometry arrangement along with being neutral direction whether relative or fixed does. See: Link Examples "Figure 2: The field through a cube sliced in half through the faces. We can observe the slight distortion of the field lines between the edges and the center of each face." ... "Could a moon or satellite, orbit this cubic planet? We notice that there is slightly greater gravitational force of attraction over the corners of the cube, and hence an orbiting satellite would significantly couple with the spin of the cube, refer Fig. 3." From link: https://ar5iv.labs.arxiv.org/html/1206.3857 (originally link provided on https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/125952-question-about-basics-of-gravity/page/5/) Point The point is geometrical arrangement (e.g. of corners) in symmetrical or proportion way while in relative or fixed neutral direction could result in like-hood of gravity.

I'm not so sure about that now. Because: First I think firstly before trying to understand momentum, motion, etc in regards to gravity, better to try understand the gravity while it is stationary (or neutral direction) and singular before delving into relation, momentum, or motion which is what constitutes complexity. Singular Object with Gravity See attached picture. Here is what I see and think: Newton What Newton described is gravity (i.e. neutral direction as centre of gravity with toward direction as gravitational attraction towards it). Einstein What Einstein described is curvature of spacetime (i.e. loop bi-direction connecting end points of each axis dimension). Kind of similar to the train scene in Matrix 3 when Neo was struck inside a train station for some time, he ran into a train rail underground but only arrived at back where he started. The concept is similar to that. But uneven distribution of geometry... maybe not so. Gravity could be symmetric in nature, possibly not uneven distribution of geometry.

Yes, I think so.

If something in subatomic particles is neutral direction whether if relative or fixed, it acts as centre of gravity so other subatomic(s) point to it (gravitational attraction)... could that be possible? "Thought experiment approaches have been suggested as a testing tool for quantum gravity theories.[9][10] In the field of quantum gravity there are several open questions – e.g., it is not known how the spin of elementary particles sources gravity, and thought experiments could provide a pathway to explore possible resolutions to these questions,[11] even in the absence of lab experiments or physical observations." From link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity

Density of Itself-Pulling Speed Maybe Density of radius's itself-pulling speed, maybe. I'm still a bit unsure, tbh. The density power was specified based on my guesswork in order to obtain the most minimum length number ever possible before hitting nearly 0 without really thought about what the density is of what exactly. I think back to what @MigL said about density of what exactly. So, maybe I'm nearing on the speed?

Earth's Radius I tried the following: Earth's 12742 km diameter converted to 12742000 metres then divided into half (6371000 metres) to obtain radius: 6371000 metres / 2^53 density = 0.000000001 So the 53 density is nearly maximum number. But now, I don't know how useful that 53 density could give answer or something useful about gravity. And the result, I'm not sure but possible time? Similar to the time formula: time = distance / speed Maybe Invalid Formula After All Maybe the formula I made is similar to the time formula? Somehow I express some doubts about the formula I made and its usability. Maybe it is invalid after all.

Re-assessment of the Formula Formula Variables: L = length 2 = proportion P = density PL = part of length Formula: L / 2^xP = PL or L / 2^P = PL The formulas is seemingly a mostly geometry formula that divides a length into smaller parts until 0. That is when a limitation is reached. Maybe the formula has some uses for understanding a potential limitation when dividing in proportion way because of the 2. Equation Example 1 L / 2^31 P = 0 Once reached 0, that is when a limitation is realized. Then a decrement of density power by 1: 1 L / 2^30 P = 0.000000001 (this had a nearly maximum number of density power to determine a minimum number of available length) That could be a good thing, because without limitation - how does one begin and end at what point? The 2 is for proportion reason, a part of symmetry I later considered. Useful or Not I'm not sure whether if the formula is useful or not, just the realization of the limitation in length due to 2 proportion in 1-dimensional geometry of what I was doing. Previously, I thought the formula divides length into smaller parts with decrementing lengths toward 0 thus appearance of density of that. But now, it might be possible that these divided parts in 1-dimensional length according to the formula could be still of uniform case of decrementing division because of the 2 proportion thing. I think the formula determines from top down to bottom, not bottom to up. Premise Maybe the premise was that if a 1-dimensional diameter or radius (e.g. singular focus on a planet or moon) factored into the formula then could determine proportional limitation and gravity yield in that. And after all, the gravity acceleration 9.8 m per second ^ 2 is approximated to be at every location on this planet Earth thus a possible 1 dimensional understanding could achieve that. Maybe not. Maybe this is just another one of my struggles to understand gravity in a different way.

More Density = More Mass Fill in I think the formula; l / 2^xP in geometry terms specify how increased density can be created thus allowing more mass to fill in then maybe a bit more gravity? Questioning and Self-Doubt But I'm a bit confused now because the formula includes division which divides length into half by 2 number of times until 0 is reached. It divides whereas increased density should be multiplicated? I'm not sure. Limitation But there is a catch; once the formula if it such one at that; l / 2^xP - specifically P (increased density) make length reach 0, that is when a limitation is reached for increased density. Attach Visual version titled, "Increased Density Transition Across Dimensions"

Maybe I think to potentially see if can understand and see if can conceptually create an artificial gravity - a plating on ground via density method, for onboard spaceflight and exploration. Kind of alternative, maybe more better than rotating version. But you guys pointed out density doesn't matter.

Simplest Terms The formula tells how many times to divide a length by 2, into smaller parts toward 0. These smaller parts toward 0, are increased density. Confusion Now, I'm a bit not sure because maybe I'm confused. For some reason, these smaller parts look like increased density to me - because they are so packed closely to each other toward 0. Maybe I confused myself between visual and mathematics.

Gravity Equations I'll make some time to re-look into existing gravity equations on wiki and etc. Meanwhile The 1-dimensional geometry with increased density is something I think may be important as it may could be responsible for driving the gravity acceleration here on Earth. I mean, yeah total mass as baseline for gravity strength since proportionality and all but that maybe only gives a pulling constant rate of falling or constant rate of gravitating toward whereas gravity acceleration which happen to be around 9.8 metres per second ^ 2 meaning objects falling with increased rate over time because of: increased density might does that - effective strength of gravity, I think. But honestly, I'm still learning about distance, time, and speed equations and how the geometry with increased density can factor into all of that. The geometry with increased density as I'm currently talking about, could be what "uneven distribution of mass" that Einstein referred to. Maybe not. "Gravity is described by the general theory of relativity, proposed by Albert Einstein in 1915, which describes gravity in terms of the curvature of spacetime, caused by the uneven distribution of mass." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity Attach I have attached another picture I developed that may help you understand what I'm talking about. Also, I realized on my previous post along with 1st attached picture titled, "1-Dimensional Geometry with Density Condensation and Inflation", didn't include P variable referring to density increase so I have included P this time.

"What is density condensation?" More density; denser. Gravity Equation Okay. I'll try to spend some time with already existing equations to understand better.

Introduction Using a and b positions on a length as base with density condensation power as exponentiation along with division to determine number of times a length can be proportionally divided into smaller parts toward position a (i.e. 0) from position b. This kind of creates a case of uniform density condensation. I connected this formula to gravity because of the way gravity of this Earth gravitates things toward it - meaning mass and energy surely could be dense deep into the core or something like that if so. The formula visualizes that in a simple way, 1-dimension only. Formula 1. L / 2^x = PL 2. PL * 2^x = L (to double-check #1, I called it density inflation) Formula Definition L = length / = division * = multiplication 2^x = a and b position on length (beginning and ending) as objects (i.e. 2) with density condensation power as exponentiation. PL = Part of length Equation Examples I have attached a picture I developed to this post, illustrating what I'm talking about. Question How to make formula more useful in understanding areas of gravity if it is applicable, that is?

Would it be workable if I adjust the mass formula to following, to make it nearly universal across spatial dimensions or is mass exclusive to length ^ 3 only? Mass formula: ( density * ( length ^ spatial dimension ) ) mass

1. Formula: E = mass * c ^ 2 2. Looked up the mass and light speed constant information on Google search. 2. Equation with units specified: E = 5,972,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 mass * 299,792,458 metres per second ^ 2 4. Equation entered into the calculator software I used, and it automatically returned with result (I was in the basic mode, not advanced, yet it still returned with scientific notation.. maybe a software bug?): 5972200000000000000000000*299792458^2=5.367545678×10^41 5. TBH, I wanted non-scientific notation result but the calculator I used on my computer is the only one calculator I used at this moment and it returned with exponent to powers which I don't really know how to read. Also, I didn't know that the emc2 didn't mean it can convert energy to mass meaning it only show how much energy joules there are in mass. 6. I was probably in good mood when posting this thread and guess I was in xmas / holidays spirit season to speak, but now.. sorry, I probably shouldn't had jumped ahead with this thread without properly knowing how to express in scientific way. After all, this forums is science.

Imagine if Earth was suddenly converted to energy via emc2 just on time for xmas and holiday season, it would shine almost as mini-star or something like that, surely so? English translation: Energy = mass * light speed constant squared Formula: E = m * c ^ 2 Equation with Earth's mass: 5972200000000000000000000*299792458^2=5.367545678×10^41

Clocks are made from materials constantly effected by gravity and other fundamental interactions.. in other words, clocks aren't immortals.

I don't know for fact, but I imagine some clocks would be surely heavier in some zones affected by different heights (e.g. gravity) and materials made.

Not Sure Exactly I'm a bit not sure too about what I said in regard to density of time. Maybe Gravity Maybe it was something from my learning and doing thought-experiment with the gravity, density is part of it. So, maybe the density word and its meaning connected with time by myself to define time dilation or time speeding up (e.g. "time flies") as part of subjectively experience but not sure about objective though. Scaling to Factor Density Maybe Constant ruler measurement and constant time, but scaling to factor density in. TBH TBH, I'm still learning about physics and mathematics but still not sure what I'm talking about, but approximation to best can do.

What if: We measure time with constant notion and get some errors due to not factoring into density of time..?

Analogy Think of a Rubik's cube that seems to irreversibly morphs to other shapes and colours but cannot go back to its original perfect condition (e.g. perfect colours matching and uniform).

Question What if origin dissolved and evolution rolls since then?

In probably and imaginable Hulk's words (from comics): Best: "Science smash" Worst: "Smash science"

I have identified '1 V^3' as an error so here is corrected version: volume: 6 m / 6 p = 1^3 V The 'Example 1 (Object 'A' with baseline for tesseraction)' refers to a situation when 3 scenarios are considered; 1. If mass amount is absent, then given density and volume if available: p x V = m 2. If volume is absent, then given mass and density if available: m / p = V 3. If density is absent, then given mass and volume if available: m / V = p

@swansont Geometrical Base Volume and Geometrical Density Multiplier I combined geometrical notion with some physical things in order to better approximate these, but I'm not sure if that is a right approach to do so because in the science of physics or an aspect of Nature itself (i.e. physics) might doesn't in fact have an actual geometry as being part of within but can be approximated and defined, I think. After all, the geometry is a fundamental concept constructed by humans to better approximate some of physics in Nature. Reference link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometry I made an error with the original post, see: Error I made an error in counting amount of density on the original post (was "geometrical base volume") in each of cubic objects; a, b, and c - was 4 when it should be 6 as baseline density number. The actual number is 6 density which counts 6 divided parts within cubic object A, 12 for B, and 18 for C. While A is baseline for tesseraction, B and C are tesseracted subdivision - with centre of geometry considered. Tesseracting Construction with Geometry Notion I think I have chosen the tesseraction model from which could theoretically tesseracting subdivision and mathematically construct objects to better understand the nature of gravity with geometry considered; these gravitational interactions and behaviours. Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation I'm still trying to learn and understand the Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation equation as stated on the following website: Reference link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_law_of_universal_gravitation But my cognition and comprehension level is not there yet, so hence self-teach with basics of mathematics and physics for me for time being. Formulas and Definitions mass: m = p x V^3 = amount of matter cubic volume: V^3 or if given m and p without V^3 then V^3 = m / p = amount of space that matter takes up density: p = m / V^3 = amount of space that matter packed in If formulas and definitions stated above are right, then: Example 1 (Object 'A' with baseline for tesseraction) mass: 6 p x 1^3 V = 6 m cubic volume: 6 m / 6 p = 1 V^3 density: 6 m / 1^3 V = 6 p Example 2 (increments with the density only while volume remain unchanged - Check the attached picture in the original post for reference - titled, "3D Conceptual Representation of Geometrical Objects and Density Multiplier") a) 6 p x 1^3 V = 6 m b) 12 p x 1^3 V = 12 m c) 18 p x 1^3 V = 18 m Example 3 (increments with the density and volume in a gradual way - different and hypothetical objects not referred in the picture or prior example but use similar mathematical approach) d) 6 p x 1^3 V = 6 m e) 12 p x 2^3 V = 96 m f) 18 p x 3^3 V = 486 m After learning a bit and if formulas and definitions are right as stated above, I'm a bit surprised and amazed to see results in the just above Example 3 section - how small adjustments to density and volume in a theoretical and gradual tesseracting construction of object(s) could yield such mass number because greater mass could logically means greater gravitational attraction or a possible change in gravitational interaction(s) or behaviour(s) between objects. Point @Sensei Checking and ensure I get some of basic mathematics right in order to apply it to my physics self-teaching to make a progression with better understanding the gravity physics. I'll look into pre-algebra, algebra, and conversion of units at a later time. Another Question If cubic volume (V^3) is not known but still have a given of mass (m) and density (p), then m / p to obtain volumetric number. But what about a situation when a volume is not cubic one and volumetric un-measureable at that? To elaborate my question's point: Imagine two cubic objects being together forming a rectangle unit but its volumetric measurable is not yet known but for the sake of point let's assume and say; 2x, 1y, and 1z then would that make V^3 not usable for measurement because V^3 refers to a cubic in an uniform way meaning one of dimensional axes such as x has extra length (e.g. 2x) whereas y and z doesn't. Could that mean I have to use this mathematical approach: 2x x 1y x 1z = 2 V?