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#41 Appolinaria

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 01:31 AM

Moontanman, to respond to you with the whole infant being aroused thing...
I still think society's morals should be greater than anything nature seems to imply. The human body is imperfect. We have vestigial organs. Just because a child CAN have sex, or can show signs of arousal, does NOT mean they should be having sex with anyone.

Take a random example of Pica. It's an urge to eat non-food (sometimes hazardous) items. It's often brought on by the physical change of pregnancy. So if a physical change explains the urge, it does not mean that the urge should be followed through with... or plenty of pregnant women would be poisoned and die. Just as the physical change of arousal in a child should not mean they should follow through with the possible urge of sex.


I like to think we are perfect beings, in imperfect bodies. As we evolve, we err away from our natural urges, and use logic to take the place of primitive tendencies.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 03:20 AM

Moontanman, to respond to you with the whole infant being aroused thing...
I still think society's morals should be greater than anything nature seems to imply. The human body is imperfect. We have vestigial organs. Just because a child CAN have sex, or can show signs of arousal, does NOT mean they should be having sex with anyone.

Take a random example of Pica. It's an urge to eat non-food (sometimes hazardous) items. It's often brought on by the physical change of pregnancy. So if a physical change explains the urge, it does not mean that the urge should be followed through with... or plenty of pregnant women would be poisoned and die. Just as the physical change of arousal in a child should not mean they should follow through with the possible urge of sex.


I like to think we are perfect beings, in imperfect bodies. As we evolve, we err away from our natural urges, and use logic to take the place of primitive tendencies.

This is just my opinion.


Appolinaria, i am pretty sure I never said infants or anyone else under age should have sex, I did say we should question the reasons why we think things are true.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 03:32 AM

You link did not say that they could not experience sexual arousal and other scientific investigations dispute this quite nicely, An extensive study in the 1950's showed exactly the opposite with infant females being able to lubricate and orgasm and infant males being able to get erects and orgasm as well. I know that by age five i could both get an erection and have an orgasm and little girls can indeed have orgasms as well.


I never said you did either. I was just further supporting my argument that it's not OK to have sex with kids, even if they could.... which is what your disturbing facts above imply.

I'm almost positive you wouldn't suggest that. I wasn't trying to say you were Posted Image

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:28 AM

While I don't condone it as it has a high probability of causing mental and physical damage, if you are truly asking "Is it good or evil to do so?", the answer is whatever you decide for yourself for your perspective and it's also relative. To a kid they may decide it is good or bad, and you may decide the same. Depending on that it is either to either perspective.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:21 PM

I came across this video while looking for something else, I'm not sure if it's real or not but it's quite shocking if it is true...

Edited by Moontanman, 19 October 2011 - 09:17 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 04:11 PM

I came across this video while looking for something else, I'm not sure if it's real or not but it's quite shocking if it is true...

http://www.youtube.c...n_order&list=UL


It's a fake

http://www.hoax-slay...-marriage.shtml

Tim Marshall, the journalist who presented the SkyNews video, was actually there at the mass wedding ceremony. In a blog post about his attendance, Marshall reiterates that the brides were elsewhere, noting that some of them were among the guests. He also writes:

The men and women are sitting, Most ignore the speeches, some even ignore the prayers. Then the fireworks explode, the cheering begins, and in march the Hamas scouts, bashing drums, looking every inch the future Hamas fighters many will be. Then the grooms, aged about 18 to about 28. They are holding hands with their young nieces and cousins, little girls aged from about 3 to 8, made up to the nines, wearing white wedding dresses.

Up they all go to the stage, the cheering and music grows ever louder. The girls were having the time of their lives, but, getting a little bored after a while, came down off the stage to dance with each other and play games.


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Posted 19 October 2011 - 09:17 PM

It's a fake

http://www.hoax-slay...-marriage.shtml

Tim Marshall, the journalist who presented the SkyNews video, was actually there at the mass wedding ceremony. In a blog post about his attendance, Marshall reiterates that the brides were elsewhere, noting that some of them were among the guests. He also writes:




I am so very sorry to have posted that, and so very glad it was not true....
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 04:49 PM

I am so very sorry to have posted that, and so very glad it was not true....


No need for you to be sorry - you posted in good faith. The only people who should apologize are the fakers and hoaxers trying to create strife through doctoring videos. I was lucky enough to know good places to check because I had looked around web before on a different video with a very similar rabidly anti-islam slant (child having hand smashed for robbery - which in fact was a well known street magician). I am very against islam - then again I am against all religions - but I hate to see any decision made on the basis of faked propaganda; people should be able to decide that religion is bad based on rational reasons and real facts.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 08:53 AM

After a re-reading of my post, I can see how it's faulty.

My main point is that I think it's irrational to pursue sex with younger women, because there more than likely is not going to be a pleasurable experience, the amount of time needed to pursue a receptive young female under the age of 16 would be difficult (at least, I would think you would be reported a couple of times), and that attempting to use this younger individual for future sexual experiences may not be fruitful if leading toward increased socio-economic status (unless a person wants to grow up the individual).

Pursuing a younger woman would involve asking many, many younger women for sex and/or relationships. That would definitely lead to being turned down a lot, given that the person is not affiliated with the younger person in some kind of social environment (school/work). Thus, the pursuer can expect to waste a large amount of time (thus, me saying why waste such large amounts of time? that seems like a bad decision).

But given complete fruitfulness of the situation, say an individual is lucky in accessing younger women, there still is the fact that the sexual experiences may not be rewarding. I suspect if someone finds sex with a virgin to be entertaining, they'll have that experience one time unless they find another young individual to have sex with. If it's an issue of beauty in youth, then sexual experiences with an individual make more sense, as the person finds pleasure in sexual experiences with an aesthetic being that cannot be found in older individuals.

Anyway, I'm claiming situations under which I would find it irrational.

I'm mostly done with the thread. Hopefully my re-iteration of what I'm saying has provided clarification.

Having sex with a younger individual for reproduction, however, would be a very different story.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 04:02 PM

After a re-reading of my post, I can see how it's faulty.

My main point is that I think it's irrational to pursue sex with younger women, because there more than likely is not going to be a pleasurable experience, the amount of time needed to pursue a receptive young female under the age of 16 would be difficult (at least, I would think you would be reported a couple of times), and that attempting to use this younger individual for future sexual experiences may not be fruitful if leading toward increased socio-economic status (unless a person wants to grow up the individual).

Pursuing a younger woman would involve asking many, many younger women for sex and/or relationships. That would definitely lead to being turned down a lot, given that the person is not affiliated with the younger person in some kind of social environment (school/work). Thus, the pursuer can expect to waste a large amount of time (thus, me saying why waste such large amounts of time? that seems like a bad decision).

But given complete fruitfulness of the situation, say an individual is lucky in accessing younger women, there still is the fact that the sexual experiences may not be rewarding. I suspect if someone finds sex with a virgin to be entertaining, they'll have that experience one time unless they find another young individual to have sex with. If it's an issue of beauty in youth, then sexual experiences with an individual make more sense, as the person finds pleasure in sexual experiences with an aesthetic being that cannot be found in older individuals.

Anyway, I'm claiming situations under which I would find it irrational.

I'm mostly done with the thread. Hopefully my re-iteration of what I'm saying has provided clarification.

Having sex with a younger individual for reproduction, however, would be a very different story.


It's faulty because you seem to be under the delusion that sex is an act that men need to persuade reluctant women into; the dangerous assumption you make that the the only danger involved in a relationship between an older man and a woman under sixteen is that the man wastes a lot of time; and that rationality is to be judged from a single person's preconceptions rather than the end of a reasoned discussion concerning both involved parties.
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Posted 27 October 2011 - 07:08 PM

This is ridiculous.

Is it ok to send children to war, if they're happy to go?
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:04 PM

Read 'The Trauma Myth' by Susan Clancy - most children enjoy doing sex, society makes them feel bad about it afterwards. If something is harmless there is no justification for its prohibition.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 05:58 PM

Read 'The Trauma Myth' by Susan Clancy - most children enjoy doing sex, society makes them feel bad about it afterwards. If something is harmless there is no justification for its prohibition.


It's not harmless:

http://jiv.sagepub.c...t/7/2/189.short
http://www.thelancet...6771-8/fulltext
http://www.tandfonli...0/J287v02n02_08
http://psycnet.apa.o...ls/bul/99/1/66/
http://journals.lww....l_abuse.12.aspx
etc ad infinitum

Clancy's book does not suggest that child sexual abuse is harmless, simply that the trauma manifests later in life. http://en.wikipedia....ki/Susan_Clancy

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:04 PM

I suppose the most available children are your own. However, I believe that sex with your own child is particularly abhorrent as it is contrary to the normal instinct of protecting your child from harm. Even with an adult child almost ready for marriage I think the normal instinct is to promote their development toward a happy independent relationship with someone who will make them feel fullfilled in life.
I believe children generally do not view their parents as sexual beings. As one of my daughters said when somehow we touched on her feelings for her husband " Of course, I never thought about you that way, you were just Dad". As for me although she is nearly 50 years old she is still "my little girl".
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Trying to make some sense of it all,

But I can see that it makes no sense at all


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:02 AM

Read 'The Trauma Myth' by Susan Clancy - most children enjoy doing sex, society makes them feel bad about it afterwards. If something is harmless there is no justification for its prohibition.


Most kids enjoy getting drunk too. I hardly think that is the issue here.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 07:15 PM

THIS TOPIC TAKES US BACK TO LAW LESS PERIOD OF PRE HISTORIC TIME WHEN THE CAPABLE HUMAN WAS FREE TO DO ANY HARM TO OTHER BEINGS BY FORCE ,WHICH ONLY BENIFITED HIM, AND HE MAY BE ALSO JUSTIFYING HIMSELF THAT HE IS NOT DOING ANY HARM TO OTHERS,THINK IF THE SEADLINGS ARE PLUCKED FOOR FOOD BEFORE IT BECOMES GRAIN DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE ENOUGH FOOD FOR HUMAN RACE TO SURVIVE,NATURE HAS MECHANISED THE HUMAN BODY AND MIND IN SUCH A WAY THAT IF ANY THING DONE BEFORE MATURITY WILL CORUPT ITS LIFE CYCLES DEVLOPEMENT SO IN MY VIEW ANY SEX WITH CHILD IS CRIME TO THE NATURE


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Posted 5 March 2012 - 10:10 AM

Most people agree that actions which harm others are wrong,


Then by that definition a root canal is definitely wrong.

It seems to me that you are hinting at Utilitarianism, but you give no reason or argument as to why it is true or why we should accept it

How can society justify criminalizing having sex with kids if it doesn't hurt anyone?


That is a rather asinine comment. You clearly have not been sexually abused in your life. Maybe you should ask someone that has been if they think it harmed them. Then again they probably would not think such a question very good.

Victim less Crimes like what exactly. Pirating DVD maybe. If their was no victim in a crime then their probably would not have been any need to make the action illegal in the first place. I really cannot think of any crime that does not have a victim of some sort.

Do you think we should make rape legal because the women like it?

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Posted 5 March 2012 - 10:23 AM

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Posted 5 March 2012 - 03:52 PM

Victim less Crimes like what exactly. Pirating DVD maybe. If their was no victim in a crime then their probably would not have been any need to make the action illegal in the first place. I really cannot think of any crime that does not have a victim of some sort.

Victimless crimes often come about when people try to legislate morals. Some example include:

Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet
BASE jumping from city buildings
Individual purchase and consumption of recreational drugs
Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt
Prostitution and/or soliciting for prostitution
Public nudity and fornication
The consumption of pornography (not involving children or coercion)

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Posted 7 March 2012 - 08:39 AM

Riding a motorcycle or bicycle without a helmet


No victim until you break your skull on the road and bleed to death.

BASE jumping from city buildings


Building owners have the right to refuse anyone access to their roofs. To go against that would make the owners victims of trespassing.

Individual purchase and consumption of recreational drugs


Drugs ruin lives pal. Definitely many victims of drug use.

Driving a motor vehicle without a seatbelt


Again no victim until you smash your skull into a thousand pieces on the dash and bleed to death.

The consumption of pornography


Where exactly is that illegal?

Public nudity and fornication


Surely you can understand why its is reasonable to ask people to have sex in their homes. Not everyone wants to see naked people having sex on the streets.
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