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#1 fay's unKle

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 01:46 PM

HOW SCIENTISTS JUSTIFIED THE FACT THAT THERE IS NO REASON TO LOOK AT ELECTRON DISTRIBUTIONS OF SUBSTANCES AS THEY APPEAR ON ELECTRON DENSITY PLOTS/MAPS GENERATED, FOR EXAMPLE BY CRYSTALLOGRAPHY, TO DRAW AN INSIGHTFUL CONCLUSION ON THE SCIENCE OLD HOT SUBJECT OF ELEMENT REACTIVITIES.  SODIUM AND CHLORINE REACT READILY TO MAKE SODIUM CHLORIDE BUT GOLD HAS NO AFFINITY  FOR OXYGEN SO DOES NOT CORRODE. AN INNOCENT NAIVE THOUGHT IS THAT SINCE THE SPOTS OF DIFFERENT INTENSITIES AND AT DIFFERENT POSITIONS (PATTERNS) CREATED DURING THE CRYSTALLOGRAPHIC PROCESS  (AT ALL ANGLES)  ARE DUE TO THE ELECTRONS OF THE ATOMS OF THE VARIOUS SUBSTANCES AND SINGLE ELEMENTS UNDER SCRUTINY THERE MAY BE SOME OBSERVABLE TRAIT EITHER ON THE MAP OF THE SPOTS THEMSELVES OR ON THE ELECTRON DENSITY PLOTS PRODUCED BY THESE.  WHY SCIENCE PRECLUDED THE CASE OF FINDING PATTERNS IN THESE MAPS THAT ARE DISTINCTIVELY INDIVIDUAL FOR ELEMENTS AND DISTINGUISH THEM, AT LEAST TO SOME DEGREE FOR THE PREFERENCE OF TWO OF THEM TO COMBINE BUT ONE OF THEM NOT TO COMBINE WITH A THIRD ONE WITH WHICH THE OTHER ONE COMBINES.    (LET'S SAY THEIR ELECTRONS LEAVE SPACE FOR OTHER ELECTRONS TO INTRUDE  IN THEIR TERRITORY AND THE NECESSARY FORCES ARE EXERTED TO KEEP THEM TOGETHER)
 
SCIENTIFIC THOUGHT HAS CREATED THE THEORY OF OUTER SHELL ELECTRON COMPLETION AND THE INFAMOUS QUANTUM MECHANICS THEORY AND ORBITALS. BUT IT IS NOT  KNOWN HOW THE ELECTRONS MOVE AROUND THE NUCLEUS  WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY (MOST PROBABLY, I THE NON SCIENTIST MUST RUSH TO SAY)  THEY REPEL EACH OTHER AND ARE ATTRACTED BY IT. (You may read the little note below)    AND WHY DOES IT MATTER. ?  One can see often in scientific literature things like this: "If we actually knew how electrons are distributed and move in atoms we would have been able to know better how they bond to form compounds and find new improved materials..."  WHEN CARBON NANOTUBES WERE DISCOVERED THEY SAID CLEARLY: ELEMENTAL UNIT FOR ELEMENTAL UNIT IT IS DOZENS  OF TIMES STRONGER AND AT THE SAME TIME  DOZENS  OF TIMES LIGHTER THAN THE STRONGEST MATERIAL KNOWN THIS FAR. (WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING YET, 20 YEARS LATTER)   DOES THIS MEAN THAT FOR AN ISLAND WHICH IS 20 Km AWAY FROM THE SHORES, CABLES MADE OF THIS, IF ANCHORED  ON THE TOP OF THE NEARBY MOUNTAINS OF THE MAINLAND AND THE ISLAND WOULD HAVE BEEN STRONG ENOUGH TO CURRY THE LOAD OF CABLE CARS (TELEFERIC). THERE IS ALWAYS A NEED FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL BRING THE FUTURE CLOSER TO TODAY. IF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT DO IT, NOTHING WILL. 
 
Note that, one may dare to say in a non scientific description: "Electrons simultaneously are attracted by the nucleus and repel each other" in an impossible way for the human mind to comprehend. When one is going towards the nucleus it accepts repelling forces from others and moves away (?) but when it gets away "it happens" that all other electrons are at distances from where the repulsive forces are smaller  (?) than the attractive from the nucleus and it gets closer to remain in the atom. (Is it periodic ?) Equivalently (but impossibly) the human being would have imitate this if could place in close proximity (in a magnetic field ? ) a number of magnets, in such a way that they would always keep floating, close enough to exert forces on each other, by their two poles off course, but they would never stick together.
 

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#2 imatfaal

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:23 PM

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Posted 23 January 2017 - 02:33 PM

If your question was

 

How does the balance of opposing forces work for electrons in molecules then consider this picture.

 

Sails on sailing boats and pitched tents are subject to a large number of opposing pulls by the controlling ropes.

That is exactly what gives the tent or sail its shape and position.

 

Electron orbitals are very similar, although the source of forces are different.


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Posted 23 January 2017 - 03:12 PM

Crystallography yields info on the atomic spacing, i.e. the bond structure, not the electron orbitals. If it were the latter, then diamond and graphite patterns would look the same.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 04:14 PM

YOU ARE FAR AWAY. SEMI-KNOWLEDGE IS WORSE THAN NO  KNOWLEDGE. MY SUBJECTS ARE INTELLECTUALLY AMUSING.BUT THE REAL RESEARCH SCIENTIST  WILL FIND THEM FICTIONAL IN PHYSICS. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY DON'T SAY ANYTHING PROFESSIONAL "REPLIERS".   I HAVE HEARD SOME SAYING THE LIKES OF ELECTRONS EXIST IN TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME etc etc. DON'T NEED THIS. THE HUMAN KIND DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO KNOW WHAT THE ELECTRON DOES AND SPECULATES BUT STILL DISCOVERED THE TRANSISTOR (AND NOT ONLY) WORKING IN THE MICROCOSM AND CHANGED THE WORLD. DISCUSS DON'T ARGUE FOR FUTURISTIC SUBJECTS. SAY THUMBS UP OR DOWN, LIKE IT OR DON'T.  LEAVE THE MAGICAL INTERNET ALONE AND THE PERSONAL THEORIES  FOR OTHERS WHO NEED THEM.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 04:16 PM

I know what to say  -  STOP SHOUTING!!!!!!  Like the mod asked you too politely.


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Posted 24 January 2017 - 04:27 PM

Is there any actual science (i.e. things that can be verified with experiment) you want to discuss?


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