Is the wave (associated with matter) the same as the wave ( associated with radiation)?

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

If one reads through Wikipedia on De Broglie, De Broglie-Bohm, Matter waves, Electron waves., apart from a dose of Mathematical Awesomeness, and Dread, It becomes difficult to understand the different Waves.

For instance :

 

IS THE WAVE ASSOCIATED WITH ALL MATTER ( Electron to World ) the SAME WAVE

 

that comes out as

 

RADIATED SINUSOIDAL ELECTRO-MAGNETIC WAVES

 

that come out of Atoms when electrons cause waves of photon light to leave atoms. Namely on energy band change?

 

Even Wikipedia asks someone to come into Wikipedia and sort out Waves.

 

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie-Bohm_theory#The_conditional_wave_function_of_a_subsystem Although this covers many wave areas , Its pretty scarey stuff .!

link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefunction Wave Function

Link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Broglie De Broglie

 

If we are going to get our head around wave Particle duality, we need to at least understand Waves ! ?

Edited August 22, 2013 by Mike Smith Cosmos

[swansont]

Are they the same? No. Do they behave the same? Yes.

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

Are they the same? No. Do they behave the same? Yes.

 

I presume they behave the same BECAUSE they are both waves, and certain performance ( behave ) relates to say water waves as light waves. O.k.

 

But if they are NOT the same . WHICH one has the WAVE-PARTICLE DUALITY.

 

A ) The De Broglie Bohm/Shroeniger derived ( if thats the way to say it) Probability Wave or

 

B) Normal Radiated Wave from an Atom Energy change ( Energy band change )

 

Either, Or , Both ?

[ajb]

Both have wave-particle duality.

 

Matter can behave like waves.

 

Radiation can behave like matter, c.f. photons.

[swansont]

I presume they behave the same BECAUSE they are both waves, and certain performance ( behave ) relates to say water waves as light waves. O.k.

 

But if they are NOT the same . WHICH one has the WAVE-PARTICLE DUALITY.

Light has wave particle duality. We call the quantized energy character of EM radiation photons.

 

deBroglie waves also have the duality. They are the waves of things we traditionally think of as particles; anything with mass.

 

Like I said, they behave the same. The wavelength is given by h/p

 

edit: xp with ajb

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

 

Light has wave particle duality. We call the quantized energy character of EM radiation photons.

 

deBroglie waves also have the duality. They are the waves of things we traditionally think of as particles; anything with mass.

 

Like I said, they behave the same. The wavelength is given by h/p

 

edit: xp with ajb

 

Am I right that the structure of each is as below. Wave [associated with radiation] constant amplitude but in chunks quanta.

Matter Constant size for given mass given material . Wave [associated with matter] goes less amplitude as distant from center.

 

Edited August 22, 2013 by Mike Smith Cosmos

[studiot]

 

Am I right that the structure of each is as below.

 

No

 

You should look up wave packets. There are some cool animations here.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_packet

 

http://www.physics.nyu.edu/~ts2/Animation/quantum.html

 

http://www.optics.rochester.edu/~stroud/animations/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwa1nktc_E

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

 

No

 

You should look up wave packets. There are some cool animations here.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_packet

 

http://www.physics.nyu.edu/~ts2/Animation/quantum.html

 

http://www.optics.rochester.edu/~stroud/animations/

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwa1nktc_E

 

I Think I need you to talk me through these Eric.

[Mike Smith Cosmos]

 

No

 

You should look up wave packets. There are some cool animations here.

 

 

studiot, thanks for animations . But. ..

 

Definitely I need a blow by blow account of quite what is going on in the animations. Which, what , with whom, by whom, and for whom !

 

mike

Edited August 24, 2013 by Mike Smith Cosmos