Strange Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 It may be a design flaw. The multimeter shows volts as amps even when amps is chosen and the amp holes are lit up. What does "shows volts as amps" mean? What does "the amp holes are lit up" mean? What make/model of multimeter are you using? Do you have the instructions for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 But it still measures only 1 milliamp even to the resistor with the least resistance. Wit the 2 to 3 amps it should say like 20 milliamps or higher due to the supposed bias to lower resistance. It looks like the amps still can't get through yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 But it still measures only 1 milliamp even to the resistor with the least resistance. Wit the 2 to 3 amps it should say like 20 milliamps or higher due to the supposed bias to lower resistance. It looks like the amps still can't get through yet. Have you actually calculated what the current should be through each resistor and in total? What is the voltage of the battery in your circuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Oh, the amps just don't show up on the Amp hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Oh, the amps just don't show up on the Amp hole. Can you explain what that means. What is an "Amp hole"? What make/model of multimeter are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Can you explain what that means. What is an "Amp hole"? What make/model of multimeter are you using? It's a Mastech MS8268. Have you actually calculated what the current should be through each resistor and in total? What is the voltage of the battery in your circuit? All seems normal now. I think. But I had a strange idea once. Maybe the power of a circuit doesn't come from the battery. Maybe it comes from the wires, and it forces chemicals in the battery to react, rather than chemicals in the battery reacting and forcing the wires and lightbulbs to react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 It's a Mastech MS8268. So, looking at the manual, when you say "Amp hole" are you referring to having the leads plugged into one of the sockets for measuring current? Did you also have the knob turned to the right settting. You seems to get such random "it's wrong no it's right now" readings, that I suspect user error... All seems normal now. I think. So, can you tell us what the battery voltage in your circuit is? And what currents you calculate? And what currents you measure? Or is it a secret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 But I had a strange idea once. Maybe the power of a circuit doesn't come from the battery. Maybe it comes from the wires, and it forces chemicals in the battery to react, rather than chemicals in the battery reacting and forcing the wires and lightbulbs to react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 But I had a strange idea once. Once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 So, looking at the manual, when you say "Amp hole" are you referring to having the leads plugged into one of the sockets for measuring current? Did you also have the knob turned to the right settting. You seems to get such random "it's wrong no it's right now" readings, that I suspect user error... So, can you tell us what the battery voltage in your circuit is? And what currents you calculate? And what currents you measure? Or is it a secret? It seems back to the theory I learned for parallel circuits in high school and college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 But I had a strange idea once. Maybe the power of a circuit doesn't come from the battery. Maybe it comes from the wires, and it forces chemicals in the battery to react, rather than chemicals in the battery reacting and forcing the wires and lightbulbs to react. And your strange idea is wrong. No big deal. If you insist that it's right, or just want to confirm that it's wrong, then you need to come up with tests to run that show it works this way, rather than according to accepted theory. Just stating the idea and stopping there isn't worth the electrons used to display it on the screen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 And your strange idea is wrong. No big deal. If you insist that it's right, or just want to confirm that it's wrong, then you need to come up with tests to run that show it works this way, rather than according to accepted theory. Just stating the idea and stopping there isn't worth the electrons used to display it on the screen. And your strange idea is wrong. No big deal. If you insist that it's right, or just want to confirm that it's wrong, then you need to come up with tests to run that show it works this way, rather than according to accepted theory. Just stating the idea and stopping there isn't worth the electrons used to display it on the screen. I suppose, in this idea, the battery chemicals would gain energy instead of losing it. So if you reacted them you'd get more energy than normal. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignose Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 But I had a strange idea once. Maybe the power of a circuit doesn't come from the battery. Maybe it comes from the wires, and it forces chemicals in the battery to react, rather than chemicals in the battery reacting and forcing the wires and lightbulbs to react. You do realize that you don't need wires for a battery to release its energy, right? If you doubt this, put your tongue on the ends of a 9V battery. The very first batteries were piles of rags with chemicals on them. Very simplistic voltaic piles. And people discovered that when you picked up the piles of rags, they'd get a shock. And what about a Van der Graaf generator? It doesn't have a closed loop of wire in its circuit; are you also going to claim that energy is coming from the air? There are a lot of phenomena that we know about that doesn't seem to fit this idea of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 I suppose, in this idea, the battery chemicals would gain energy instead of losing it. So if you reacted them you'd get more energy than normal. I think. Do batteries act this way? I mean, seriously, an experiment like this is the lowest hanging fruit out there. NO! Batteries run down and then the electronics stop working. If the energy came from the wires, why would you need batteries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 It seems like the "electrons" are pulled rather than pushed. And the batteries would "allow" the current to flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strange Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Why does it seem like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 If "they" ("electrons") were pushed, "they" would just leak out like crazy all of the time, but "they" don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 If "they" ("electrons") were pushed, "they" would just leak out like crazy all of the time, but "they" don't. Why, and from where, would they leak out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 Why, and from where, would they leak out? At the negative side of the battery/wire, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 At the negative side of the battery/wire, I guess. And why? What would cause this? If charges "leaked", then there would be a charge imbalance, which would attract the "leaking" charges. That force gets strong pretty quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 And why? What would cause this? If charges "leaked", then there would be a charge imbalance, which would attract the "leaking" charges. That force gets strong pretty quickly. And why? What would cause this? If charges "leaked", then there would be a charge imbalance, which would attract the "leaking" charges. That force gets strong pretty quickly. If something like that happened, then there wouldn't be electric circuits at all. The "electrons" would never be able to get out of the battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignose Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Windevoid, I do not want to discourage any creative thinking. But I highly encourage you to do some reading on what actually constitutes a battery, and why metal are good conductors of electricity. All these questions you are asking have been answered, and the flaws in your idea would be apparent with some basic understanding of how batteries create electricity, and how charges & electrons behaved. Your questions like 'what if the wires were the energy course' aren't thought provoking, deep, or challenging the mainstream. They just make you look uneducated, and like one who doesn't think the ramification of their idea all the way out. Again, creativity is needed in the sciences. Highly, highly desired, as a matter of fact. But you don't get any cred just from tossing out any old idea that pops into your head. Where you get credit is when you show how all the effects based on your idea make predictions or explanations that are even better than the ones we have now. To do this right, you need to know how well we does this now. And let me give you a hint -- in terms of basic circuits, we are going really quite well with our predictions. You may indeed make even better predictions. But you need to show that, not just blurt out every untested idea that comes to you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 If something like that happened, then there wouldn't be electric circuits at all. The "electrons" would never be able to get out of the battery. Something like what, the electrostatic force? The net charge in a battery is zero. For every electron that leaves, one enters. Stop telling nature how to behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windevoid Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 If they are electrons, why has no one ever seen the electricity in a circuit? Have they not looked? Certainly the atomic area under electricity would become grey or black, right? -3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACG52 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I can't understand why swansont allows, even encourages this to continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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