boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 are dragon egg's made from minimum red lead and aluminium or PbO and aluminium because i was thinking of making them next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 DON`T!, it`s a grade A way to win a Darwin award! ( here`s a question for you all, how come I was trained spelling it as "Thermit" and you lot spell it as "thermitE" with an E at the end? what`s the diff (other than the obvious) and Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 'Thermit' is, I believe, a trademarked name for a product which produces a thermite reaction. 'Thermite' is the scientific name for it. I just read about this last night. When I get home from work I'll try and find that link again. EDIT: Here we go. Thermit is a trademarked name, while Thermite is the name of the reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 DON`T!' date=' it`s a grade A way to win a Darwin award! ( here`s a question for you all, how come I was trained spelling it as "Thermit" and you lot spell it as "thermitE" with an E at the end? what`s the diff (other than the obvious) and Why?[/quote'] i know the lead oxide thermites are dangerous but i was thinking only a few grams eg 3-5g and a full sparkler which would give me about 1 minute to get away i just want to do it for the experience in all the different thermites i have already tried the copper oxide and iron oxide one thats why i wanted to try the lead oxide one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 3 to 5 grams of the correct mix, you`de need a good distance! it`s powerfull, but also more importantly LOUD! one could easily think it actualy Detonates, it doesn`t, but it`s about as powerfull as it gets for a redox reaction in solid form (and no before anyone jumps on the badwaggon to try correct me, there IS more powerfull redox in solids, but it`s a Thermit discussion!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 1. how loud is loud eg flash powder in a cardboard tube loud or louder 2. is there another name for it because i carnt find anything on google Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 it`s more brissant than Flash powder (the 70/30 alu chlorate type). it`s higher pitched, like a *CRACK* but don`t let that fool you!, it`s still Loud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I thought they use a more stable and safe mix these days than the red lead - alu composition in dragon eggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 wow so its better then flash powder, i never knew that, that is why i think i will only make a very small sample if i were going to make it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 I thought they use a more stable and safe mix these days than the red lead - alu composition in dragon eggs? they use a less toxic chemical if thats what you mean by safe mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I thought they use a more stable and safe mix these days than the red lead - alu composition in dragon eggs? they do, and I`ve pointed this out before AND stated what is used instead, but no one seems to want to listen! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 the chemicals which they do use in the safer mix are also a little harder to get hold off and more expensive then the red lead and aluminium, other wise if i knew where to get them they would be the chemicals which i would use for the dragon eggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I`de reccomend NOT making it until you can obtain the correct chems, but that`s going to fall on deaf ears too! ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 hold on i have just had a look and what i thought were the new safer chemicals were in fact not them anyway i can get hold of red lead aluminium ect now i just need to find what the new safer ones are where did you post saying what the chemicals were YT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 fair enough try this post I made not so long back: I don`t recommend using red lead as it`s impact sensitive' date=' the beta-modification will make a reasonable thermite though, red lead Dragon eggs aren`t used anymore nowdays in Pyro, it`s been replaced by Bismuth Trioxide instead. dissolve your lead in nitric acid making lead nitrate, then add sodium hydroxide, to make lead hydroxide and sodium nitrate, filter out the lead hydroxide and dry it, with heating the hydroxide will turn into Yellow lead Lead Compounds are Toxic!!!!![/quote'] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 does bismuth trioxide give the same effects ect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdurg Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 I`de reccomend NOT making it until you can obtain the correct chems, but that`s going to fall on deaf ears too! ( Quite literally too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 does bismuth trioxide give the same effects ect of course! ) and LOL @ jdurg, I never realised when I posted that, well spotted ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris_73 Posted November 29, 2004 Author Share Posted November 29, 2004 where can you buy bismuth trioxide because i can not get that, or what is it used in eg if used in pottery i would be able to get it from a pottery supplie shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Hmmh... I wonder if just burning bismuth in a pure oxygen atmosphere would yield bismuth trioxide. Or then no, since it seems quite complex (Bi4O6). Looks kinda like hexamine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted November 29, 2004 Share Posted November 29, 2004 Bismuth trioxide (Bi2O3) is that stuff that’s floats to the top and wont melt whenever you melt bismuth. Look at my AIM screen name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 "Bismuth trioxide (Bi2O3) is that stuff that’s floats to the top and wont melt whenever you melt bismuth." I thought that it's Bi2O3, but ChemFinder told me that it's Bi4O6. Ahh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folder Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Same empirical formula, so it shouldn't matter too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budullewraagh Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 well.....i wouldn't say that...formaldehyde and glucose have the same empirical formula but theyre totally different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilded Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 Yeah, it's quite important to have the right structure too when discussing individual molecules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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