Aquiring Hg-1223

[Pyro-Fire]

Hi, i'm trying to acquire the chemical HgBa2Ca2Cu3O8 aka Hg-1223.

 

does anyone know who i could contact to get some?

 

or if thats not possible, can anyone post a link to the method of producing this compound?

 

the best i've found is http://www.freepaten...om/5858926.html however i can't understand this page because i don't really know much about chemistry (hence im posting here )

and heck, i can't even tell if this page actually makes any sense. can anyone tell me if it does or doesn't ?

 

anyway, any information on how to acquire this substance would be greatly appreciated~

 

thanks in advance.

Edited July 24, 2011 by Pyro-Fire

[mississippichem]

Why do you need a high temperature cuprate superconductor?

[hypervalent_iodine]

And furthermore, why do you think we're going to tell you how to synthesise this when you are ignorant on the topic of chemistry? Having looked at the synthesis, it involves a delightful array of rather high temperatures, pressures and toxic compounds. It's not even something I would trust myself doing without supervision, let alone someone with no experience or background in chemistry.

[Pyro-Fire]

And furthermore, why do you think we're going to tell you how to synthesise this when you are ignorant on the topic of chemistry? Having looked at the synthesis, it involves a delightful array of rather high temperatures, pressures and toxic compounds. It's not even something I would trust myself doing without supervision, let alone someone with no experience or background in chemistry.

i wouldn't say ignorant of it, rather just uneducated in the field.

 

as for why im seeking this substance, if you supercool this liquid to 150k and rotate it (magnetically) under pressure, it creates a gravitomagnetic field. which is essentially anti-gravity.

 

does anyone have any idea how much this chemical would cost?

or if theres someone i can contact who will synthesize the chemical for me?

Edited July 25, 2011 by Pyro-Fire

[John Cuthber]

Since an anti gravity field is a breach of the principle of conservation of energy I think it's fair to assume this won't work. So you shouldn't take the risk, spend your money on something else.

[Pyro-Fire]

Since an anti gravity field is a breach of the principle of conservation of energy I think it's fair to assume this won't work. So you shouldn't take the risk, spend your money on something else.

 

the information about antigravity would be considered illegal in america which is why you probably haven't heard of it, but it's a fairly simple concept. just look up general relativity and gravitomagnetism.

anyway, it's this liquid that fits the very specific criteria (being a high-density magnetic high-temperature superfluid) required to achieve it within our technology level, so it's critical that i obtain some otherwise i can't move forward

Edited July 25, 2011 by Pyro-Fire

[Fuzzwood]

Sorry, had to pick myself up from the ground there. Can you please tell me what you smoke or use regularily?

[insane_alien]

gravitomagnetism is not antigravity.

 

its also not illegal in the US, or anywhere.

 

the superconductor you are reffering to is not a liquid (we haven't discovered liquid superconductors yet) it is a solid.

 

gravitomagnetism doesn't require superconductors either, the earth has a gravitomagnetic field (as does any spinning body)

 

please, learn what gravito magnetism is and is not before you continue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitomagnetism

[Pyro-Fire]

gravitomagnetism is not antigravity.

Agreed. they are related, but not the same.

 

its also not illegal in the US, or anywhere.

the powers that be make it so. (CIA, FBI etc) google-> disclosure.

 

the superconductor you are reffering to is not a liquid (we haven't discovered liquid superconductors yet) it is a solid.

Thanks! Do you know what it would take to further lower the freezing point of this compound?

My first guess is thallium, but im not entirely sure. The nazi's had achieved it using thorium (compound called xerum 525), but that is radioactive and well out of reach for me.

 

gravitomagnetism doesn't require superconductors either, the earth has a gravitomagnetic field (as does any spinning body)

Correct, i do not require a superconductor, rather a high-density magnetic superfluid.

For my purposes, the most important difference is that the superfluid is a fluid that can flow with zero resistance, like a superconductor can conduct electricity with zero resistance.

 

If anyone reading this is also interested in gravity manipulation, watch this video.

 

Lastly, i'd like to ask any new posters to please try and stay on topic about this liquid, and not gravity manipulation. it's the most important piece of the puzzle.

Edited July 25, 2011 by Pyro-Fire

[John Cuthber]

I'm not going to waste time going into details here (not least because it's not really my field) but you cannot have a liquid superconductor.

Also, this is a science website.

Things like "The nazi's had achieved it using thorium" should be on www. balderdashforums . net rather than here.

 

In the meantime, would someone like to calculate this index

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

for pyrofire's posts?

[Pyro-Fire]

Things like "The nazi's had achieved it using thorium" should be on www. balderdashforums . net rather than here.

why? are you saying that i'm not allowed to point out scientific fact because it didn't come from America?

Or perhaps you would like to explain why all scientific data from the nazis is invalid?

is it because they are different to you?

 

Well, the nazis are human just as you and i. the only difference is they have a different flag.

Now are you telling me that a simple difference in national icon is sufficient reason to disregard all scientific data collected by them?

racist much?

 

not to mention the fact that the american government actually recruited scientists from the same place! for their own use.

http://en.wikipedia....ation_Paperclip

so you're saying that the government recruited scientists who didn't know anything about science to conduct their experiments?

why would they waste their time and money to do that?

 

or the more likely situation, you're just being ignorant and scared because it's *gasp* nazis!!

lol.

 

but anyway, back on-topic, a lot of anti-gravity research was conducted by the nazi's.

One such project is known as "Die Glocke" http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Die_Glocke so you'd have to be pretty ignorant and very stupid to disregard the nazi's research like you have.

after all, this is a science forum about science, not about what is and isn't science because the people who did the tests aren't to your liking.

 

I'm not going to waste time going into details here (not least because it's not really my field) but you cannot have a liquid superconductor.

again, for the third time, i am not looking for a superconductor. i am looking for a SUPERFLUID.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Superfluid

There is a HUGE difference between these 2. the fact that the compound i seek happens to be a superconductor is merely coincidence. or they could be related, but either way it's irrelevant for my purposes since im not actually conducting electricity through it. All opinions and ideas are welcome, however please refrain from making a statement without backing it up, because then it's like you've stated absolutely nothing and you probably shouldn't have even bothered to post at all, since all you're doing is wasting time and resources of both your own, and of anyone who reads your post.

i'd like to believe your title of "chemistry expert", but without providing any evidence to support your claims, it would be you who is the crackpot.

if you're not going to contribute anything to the thread, don't post at all.

 

this may be off topic, but perhaps you can explain why it is impossible to have a liquid superconductor in another thread. But for now please try and keep information relevant to the thread, rather then just an ignorant opinion.

 

actually, i have a better idea.

instead of starting a flamewar or a pointless argument that wont achieve anything, please watch this video and let's get back on topic. after all, anti-gravity is a huge milestone in technology

 

For those wondering, the problem with the above superfluid is 1) it's not dense enough, 2) it's not magnetic, so how will it be rotated in the centrifuge?

 

similar to how the stealth bomber was kept secret for a myriad of years before it was announced to the public, this is one other such technology kept from us by the U.S. government.

or on a larger scale, how even today area 51 is only barely acknowledged by the government whereby the only reason we know of its existence today is because of satellite imagery (namely, google earth )

 

And lastly, i'd like to say Thank you! to everyone else who has contributed to this thread. the more information available, the easier it will be for me, and any other potiental engineer to start using this technology. I'm not quite there yet, but i'm close. When i do actually achieve an anti-gravity device, i will happily distribute the information on how to build such a machine to everyone and anyone who asks for it!

 

furthermore, i'd like to pose a question for insane_alien (and anyone else who may have the answer)

i've heard that the temperature which hg-1223 (or any compound for that matter) becomes a plasma can be increased when pressure is added. If enough pressure is added, is it possible to increase the required temperature enough to allow the compound to become a superfluid without freezing? and if so, how much pressure would be required?

According to Edgar Fouche, the superfluid in the TR3B Flying Triangle is cooled to 150k and pressurized to 250,000 atmospheres. This is quoted in the first video i've linked further up in the thread.

Edited July 27, 2011 by Pyro-Fire

[hypervalent_iodine]

Uh huh. Well the point of your thread has been addressed, in any case. No, we can't tell you how to make it; no, I doubt you can buy at; and no, no one will make it for you.

 

Be sure to come back to us when you have your anti-gravity device. $10 if you can produce a perpetual motion machine as well.

[John Cuthber]

He seems not to understand that if he makes an anti gravity device then he already has the basis of a perpetual motion machine.

That's how we know his plan is impossible.

 

Incidentally,

re."or the third time, i am not looking for a superconductor. i am looking for a SUPERFLUID."

then WTF are the tread title and OP about a superconductor?

Would I be right in thinking you have absolutely no clue what you are on about.