Mr Skeptic Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I just learned about electrets from wikipedia. Electrets are permanant electric dipoles, essentially the electrical analogue of magnets. My questions, then: 1) Why have I never heard of electrets before? Not in college, not in high school, and my physics prof wanted a journal reference before she would believe they exist. 2) Do electrets make good toys? If I'm not mistaken, small electrets would allow me to see an electric field, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 erm... most of Todays Microphones are Electret, I`m almost Shocked that you (or your prof) have never heard of them!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I think it may be an engineering term. I don't recall hearing it in physics classes, though certainly the concept of an electric dipole was covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Skeptic Posted November 9, 2007 Author Share Posted November 9, 2007 Oh, I have heard of electric dipoles before, but not any that were macroscopic and permanent. Just things like water molecules and such. The wiki article gives a recipe using waxes, and I never heard of such things. I'll make one if it makes a good toy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4tt3n Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 Well, I've never heard of them either. Although, I've always wondered what might happen if you froze water while it was under influence of a strong electric field ^^ Anyone here have any hands-on experience with these electrets? Will they for instance bend water streaming from a faucet like an electrified comb does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 They are called electrets by analogy with magnets. I'm suprised the prof hadn't heard of them but to be fair, except in microphones, they are pretty obscure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riogho Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Actually, a magnet would techincally be one, since a magnetic field creates an electric one... and so on and so force. You could vibrate a magnet quick enough to cause electric to run through a wire on the other side of the room for instance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 since a magnetic field creates an electric one ehh that would be a changing magnetic field creates an electric one. static fields don't do squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riogho Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 That is why I mentioned vibrating the magnet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane_alien Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 yeah, but that you make an alternating field electrets have a static field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 my Alpha radiation detector is electret based also, so it must be reasonably common I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cuthber Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 Commoner than I thought. I have a similar detector (in need of general maintainance I think) and I didn't know it was electret based. Do you know how it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted November 11, 2007 Share Posted November 11, 2007 as far as I know (I`m by Far NOT an expert) the Alpha passes through the aluminised mylar, knocks off electrons underneath in the cavity and that`s then picked up by some sort of detector. I know the cct employs a HT line also, it`s function I have no idea, perhaps it`s a way to accelerate the particles to give them more clout when they hit the detector??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Skeptic Posted November 16, 2007 Author Share Posted November 16, 2007 So they're fairly common then. But do they make good toys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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