blike Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 This is all over the news here in Tampa. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,100117,00.html Apparently some woman has been in a coma since 1990. The woman's husband wants to pull the feeding tube, because she expressed wishes not to be kept alive artificially. The woman's parents, however, are calling it 'murder' because they think she shows signs of possible communication, etc. The doctors testifying in the case say that her facial twitching and expressions, and occasional moans are reflexes, not indications she is trying to communicate. Thats a tough place to be in, especially the doctors and the people involved who are giving their medical opinion. What do you guys think should be done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Do what she asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I`m a "Pro-Life" person, but there comes a point when someone is at least owed their dignity. I`de have to say switch it off too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Thirteen years is a long time. How long do you think there should be to evaluate the coma? My girlfriends boss died late last year, went into a coma after being diagnosed with meningitis. It was only about a month after she was hospitalised that he had the feeding tube removed...seemed a little hasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Skye, I can olny guess that each circumstance is evaluated on it`s own merits (or not as the case may be). Coma in itself isn`t the killer, she may have had alot more wrong with her, complications etc... non the less, it`s still very tempting to "second guess" an action like that, I pray I`m never faced with it (or any of us for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_maya Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I don't know much about "coma". But I always thought that u couldn't talk or understand anything and only ur subconcious mind is active. If so, how could she express what she wants? It's about a person's life - u don't just say pull the plug. But, then again, I am not in their shoes, nor am I in the patient's, so no matter how logically I think, I don't think we can ever give the right decision. Though I think it's really a mental and physical stress upon her, her husband and her family. Like YT man said - " it`s still very tempting to "second guess" an action like that, I pray I`m never faced with it (or any of us for that matter). " Besides I read the news at bike's link. It's always disgusting to see family matters dragged infront of the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 She made that statement before she went into a vegitative state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blike Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 And is she really alive if she is staying alive because of a machine? She has just been laying there for nearly 13 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glider Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 YT2095 said in post #6 :Coma in itself isn`t the killer, she may have had alot more wrong with her, complications etc... Coma is the killer. Life is only maintained through artificial intervention. The basic rule is; if you can't drink or feed yourself (or breathe unaided), you die. Unless you are fed and watered by others. By any definition, an inability to perform basic life maintaining functions is a killer, unless these functions are performed for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_maya Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I don't know. I will never understand u people. I mean does she feel any pain? If not - why bother? I mean did her parents gave birth to her so that oneday they can just pull the plug out of her? U guys are always talking in favour of cloning, talking about fission and fusion, then where's the problem to keep her alive by a machine? So what should we do now - do we just start killing the people who are mentally retarded - just because they act and look like vegetables. Stephen Hawking shouldn't live either. Why bother, a cancer patient will most likely die anyway - why spend so much money behind radio therapy. You may think, I am just being melodramatic and just a teenager who just had to post something. That's not the case. I have seen my uncle suffer and die from cancer. It was then when I decided that if someday I get that Royal Disease, I will not get any treatment. But do u actually think my parents r just gonna sit back and ok let's just havefun just because I said so? Who knows, maybe oneday she will just wake up from coma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fafalone Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 If I'm ever in a coma for more than 6 months, I want to be cryogenically frozen until such a time where I can be unfrozen and brought out of the coma. Even better, just leave me frozen for a few million years... and wake me up when we can travel among galaxies like cities and I can be made not to age and die, so that I can be there when we transcend this universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaKiri Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 neo_maya said in post #11 :I don't know. I will never understand u people. I mean does she feel any pain? If not - why bother? I mean did her parents gave birth to her so that oneday they can just pull the plug out of her? U guys are always talking in favour of cloning, talking about fission and fusion, then where's the problem to keep her alive by a machine? There's little or no neural activity, so I'm going for 'no', she won't feel any pain. In fact, she won't feel anything at all, like she hasn't for the last 13 years, and wouldn't for the forseeable future. neo_maya said in post #11 :Stephen Hawking shouldn't live either. RIGHT ON neo_maya said in post #11 :Who knows, maybe oneday she will just wake up from coma. The doctors have said that it's medically unlikely, at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 neo_maya said in post #7 :bike's link. Ah ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha. "bike" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Glider, I meant it in terms of directly, as in an autopsy wouldn`t say cause of death: Coma. nothing else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_maya Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Sayonara³ said in post #14 : Ah ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha. "bike" What's so funny Ayonara ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_maya Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 I still do not understand - if she is not feeling anything, then where is the problem to keep her alive? I mean is it the money? I know it's really hard to see ur close one in a vegetative state but that doesn't mean u have to murder her to see her out of misery. So, basically it all comes down to this - " U r all in favor of euthanasia. " I think its the most ugliest and nastiest thing that human can come up with. If u people really think that people should be left in the hands of time - then where is the point of all these medical studies and where is the point of having this forum? We r all gonna die oneday - right? So, let's do this - let's make huge space shuttles and we all start travelling towards the sun - at least it would be worth dying for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YT2095 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 carefull dude! he bites, don`t be fooled by the pink writing. Wolf in Sheeps clothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_maya Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 \ P / \ E / \ A / \ C / \ E / \ / \ :worship: / \ / \ / \ A / \ Y / \ O / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 It's funny because "bike" colloquially means "slut" in the UK. AH HA HAAA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_maya Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Hey, what happened to my peace sign????? It took me such a long time. Peace \/ Ayo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_maya Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 oops "sayo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skye Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Medical studies, and medicine in general, shouldn't come with the obligation to use them. Sayonara, so the nun outfit was just a thinly-veiled ploy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sayonara Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 He was probably just wearing it because he was out on a hen night, hence the pants-on-face look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1917 Posted October 16, 2003 Share Posted October 16, 2003 Specifically village bicycle. Everyone's had a ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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