Just now, m_m said:

Maybe Darwin got it wrong? Einstein? No?

What on earth do you mean by this ?

Both Darwin and Einstein were human and so it is no suprise that they both 'got something wrong' at times.

17 hours ago, m_m said:

You know, as for me I didn't read Nietzsche, but why do you think that these phrase "he who got it wrong" refers to Trump? Did he start any war? Is he giving orders to kill people at the moment?

As far as I can see you live in the UK. Are you a citizen of the USA? People voted for Trump in their free choice and free will. It was a free choice of free people in the free country. And this is the most important thing.

Mr Hitler was a big fan of Fred and he got it very wrong, besides, I don't he declared war either. Meanwhile Trump is ploughing the same furrow, and we all know "you get what you sow".

Mr Hitler assumed the ubermenche/superman was automatically the most powerful person on the planet; Fred spoke of the ubermenche that was to come, due to a configuration of circumstance and the right man for the job. As it happened with Jesus, Mohamed, Buddha etc...

IOW It's not power that makes one superior it's understanding AKA wisdom.

17 hours ago, m_m said:

Would you forgive those people, who voted for Trump, if you were a citizen of the USA? And if they were your relatives? Or friends? Would you forgive yourself, if you voted for Trump?

Why would you think I wouldn't?

We all make mistakes, even Mr Trump; what would you do, if he suddenly had an epiphany and admitted that he was completely wrong?

Edited June 19Jun 19 by dimreepr

8 hours ago, dimreepr said:

We all make mistakes, even Mr Trump; what would you do, if he suddenly had an epiphany and admitted that he was completely wrong?

Write this sentence in all those political topics about Trump.

@dimreepr just playing devil's advocate here, Hitler had a doctor that was supposed to help him, but he ended up tricking him with heroin and other drugs. Day by day, Hitler lost more and more of his mind. Not saying this excuses what he did, but no one thinks properly under the influence. He probably wouldn't have taken things that far if not drugged by his doctor.

On 6/19/2025 at 5:20 AM, dimreepr said:

We all make mistakes, even Mr Trump; what would you do, if he suddenly had an epiphany and admitted that he was completely wrong?

Rush to my window and see if I can spot some flying pigs. 😁

12 hours ago, TheVat said:

Rush to my window and see if I can spot some flying pigs. 😁

Well, at least I know that you're a Floyd fan; and a bitch bc now I've got to listen to 2112 too...

17 hours ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

@dimreepr just playing devil's advocate here, Hitler had a doctor that was supposed to help him, but he ended up tricking him with heroin and other drugs. Day by day, Hitler lost more and more of his mind. Not saying this excuses what he did, but no one thinks properly under the influence. He probably wouldn't have taken things that far if not drugged by his doctor.

Not really pertinent to the OP Sarae. Hitler may have had a neurological condition like Parkinson's or even syphilis, it would not have stopped him being an evil psychopath. It is worth remembering that he wrote "Mein kampf," when he was in his 30s.

What do you think about your approach to holy books such as the books of the Bible and questions today about our world?

Having read some replies?

4 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Well, at least I know that you're a Floyd fan; and a bitch bc now I've got to listen to 2112 too...

Haha! Hadn't realized I was referencing two bands in that sentence, I see it now. Are you aware that famous pig got loose during the album cover photo shoot at Battersea, and they had to shut down Heathrow?

On 6/26/2025 at 10:29 PM, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

@dimreepr just playing devil's advocate here, Hitler had a doctor that was supposed to help him, but he ended up tricking him with heroin and other drugs. Day by day, Hitler lost more and more of his mind. Not saying this excuses what he did, but no one thinks properly under the influence. He probably wouldn't have taken things that far if not drugged by his doctor.

Sorry missed this:

Hitler was a product of his culture; a culture that was under fiscal pressure and feared the future bc of it. It's so much more easy to believe that it's the poorest that are to blame. Like everyone, Hitler is ultimately responcible for his action's, despite the narcotics, if he's clever enough to lead his nation then he's able to decide to nasty rather than nice.

I believe there's evidence that Jesus was an alcoholic before his rise to leadership and he famously decided to be nice.

18 hours ago, TheVat said:

Haha! Hadn't realized I was referencing two bands in that sentence, I see it now. Are you aware that famous pig got loose during the album cover photo shoot at Battersea, and they had to shut down Heathrow?

No I think it drifted East down towards the Thames estuary on the prevailing westerly wind, where, according to legend, a police constable in S. Essex radioed the police station saying "Sarge, you not going to believe this but....."

@dimreepr so are you saying that the drugs were basically useless and he wouldn't have changed a bit? Well, it might have made him less-if not completely- of an abuser at home. But he would still have been evil?

@pinball1970 correct, my response is irrelevant, but I thought I'd shed light on the fact that he was heavily influenced, but OP revealed that it didn't change him. I think before I was a bit... literal, but I think the replies are more logical than my original approach.

19 hours ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

so are you saying that the drugs were basically useless and he wouldn't have changed a bit?

Nope...

19 hours ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

But he would still have been evil?

Nope...

All people are capable of the best and the worst of people, and evil is an abstract concept, so what's the question?

7 hours ago, dimreepr said:

Nope...

Nope...

All people are capable of the best and the worst of people, and evil is an abstract concept, so what's the question?

I guess it would be, "would the history of WW2 have changed in terms of the Holocaust? Would the Holocaust have even happened?"

7 hours ago, dimreepr said:

All people are capable of the best and the worst of people, and evil is an abstract concept, so what's the question?

The question Christianity and it's compatibility with Science

46 minutes ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

I guess it would be, "would the history of WW2 have changed in terms of the Holocaust? Would the Holocaust have even happened?"

This is Godwin's Law in operation. I suggest we stop this line of discussion and get back on topic.

@exchemist right.

@TheVat I placed a hold on Phillip Whitfield's book, so it should be in my possession shortly. Are there any other books you would recommend I check out? On a sophomore year level please, I'm not very bright.

Do you guys think the old testament is in the lower paleolithic? Like David and Goliath's story? I was thinking about David's slingshot and the stone used to killed Goliath. I understand that stones were used to kill things in that era, but what I don't know is if slingshots were invented in any of the lithics industries during that time period because I haven't gotten that far. I don't think it would be far-fetched to assume slingshots were invented. I don't know, what do you guys think?

18 minutes ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

Do you guys think the old testament is in the lower paleolithic? Like David and Goliath's story? I was thinking about David's slingshot and the stone used to killed Goliath. I understand that stones were used to kill things in that era, but what I don't know is if slingshots were invented in any of the lithics industries during that time period because I haven't gotten that far. I don't think it would be far-fetched to assume slingshots were invented. I don't know, what do you guys think?

Sling and slingshot are distinct weapons. David used a sling in the story (at least the version I read)

@swansont ohhhh you know what? I think I'm misremembering the story a bit! A sling does sound more correct and familiar.

1 hour ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

Do you guys think the old testament is in the lower paleolithic? Like David and Goliath's story? I was thinking about David's slingshot and the stone used to killed Goliath. I understand that stones were used to kill things in that era, but what I don't know is if slingshots were invented in any of the lithics industries during that time period because I haven't gotten that far. I don't think it would be far-fetched to assume slingshots were invented. I don't know, what do you guys think?

No, you are way off. Have a look at this table of ages in the Levant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_archaeological_periods_(Levant)

The Book of Samuel, in which the story of David and the Palestinians (=Philistines - the Arabic for Palestinian is "Filistin", there being no "p" sound in Arabic.) occurs, is thought to have been written about 600BC. So late Iron Age, bordering on the historical periods (i.e. when people started to write history down). The Israelites would have fought the Philistines with spears with iron tips and with swords. A sling would have typically been used by shepherds, who could not afford expensive weapons, to keep wolves etc off their flocks.

Edited July 21Jul 21 by exchemist

On 6/29/2025 at 10:07 PM, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

@exchemist right.

@TheVat I placed a hold on Phillip Whitfield's book, so it should be in my possession shortly. Are there any other books you would recommend I check out? On a sophomore year level please, I'm not very bright.

Being bright is not essential, no replacement for hours spent reading.

Make a few notes if you think it is getting too heavy.

"The Bible unearthed" Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silverman. This offers explanations regarding archaeology found and not found in the Bible lands.

Also, "Archaeology of the Bible lands BC." Magnus Magnusson 1979.

@exchemist oh wow... I was off by MANY time periods! Nevermind guys I didn't know shepherd boys were that poor.

@pinball1970 thanks, I'm going to look for these along with some others I've found on Wikipedia resources.

15 minutes ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

@pinball1970 thanks, I'm going to look for these along with some others I've found on Wikipedia resources

The Magnuson one may be difficult to get but that book introduced me to the subject so have a look.

His sources were the archaeology journals of that time.

@pinball1970 ok thank you. I need to write all of these down now!

3 hours ago, Sarae.the.wannabe.chemist2 said:

Do you guys think the old testament is in the lower paleolithic? Like David and Goliath's story? I was thinking about David's slingshot and the stone used to killed Goliath. I understand that stones were used to kill things in that era, but what I don't know is if slingshots were invented in any of the lithics industries during that time period because I haven't gotten that far. I don't think it would be far-fetched to assume slingshots were invented. I don't know, what do you guys think?

The Old Testament is not from the Lower Paleolithic. The Lower Paleolithic is a very ancient time period that started over three million years ago and ended about three hundred thousand years ago. That is when early humans like Homo habilis and Homo erectus were using the very first stone tools. These people did not have writing, cities, or even language as we know it. They were hunter gatherers using basic chipped stones and hand axes. So there is no way that a story like David and Goliath, which comes from a written tradition, could have come from that time.

The story of David and Goliath is actually believed to take place around one thousand years before the common era, during what we call the Iron Age. That is when people had organized armies, kings, and written texts. So it is a huge time jump forward from the Lower Paleolithic.

As for the slingshot, what David used was not the kind of slingshot with a Y shaped stick and rubber bands that we think of today. Those were only invented in the last couple hundred years. What David used was a sling made from two cords and a pouch that could hurl stones with a lot of force. Slings like that have been around for thousands of years and were common weapons in the ancient world. They were simple but effective, and skilled slingers could hit targets from long distances.