# Determinism shown to end contradiction

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Magister colin leslie dean has shown

Determinism shown to end in Meaninglessness nonsense

Causal determinism

“Causal determinism, sometimes synonymous with historical determinism (a sort of path dependence), is "the idea that every event is necessitated by antecedent events and conditions together with the laws of nature."  “Causal determinism has also been considered more generally as the idea that everything that happens or exists is caused by antecedent conditions”

take the 3 body problem –as a simplification of all things in the universe

But note all the universe is made up of things in interrelationships with everything else

if we take Newton’s law of gravitation

F = G(m1m2)/R2.

Thus when we move object A it effects the other two objects B and C
But when objects B and C move that effects object A

So

we can say that A in effect caused its own motion
thus we can say the antecedent cause of A is infact just the antecedent A itself

in other words the cause of the cause is the cause

just nonsense meaninglessness

note

because all things in the universe are interrelationships with everything else

then

from the above all things are their own antecedent cause

just nonsense meaninglessness

thus causation is both logically nonsense and science itself must then be meaningless nonsense

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18 minutes ago, jnana said:
Magister colin leslie dean has shown

Determinism shown to end in Meaninglessness nonsense

Only in crackpot land. Stop citing Dean to support Dean. If you want to use his arguments, make them clearly and reasonably and support them with real evidence, not hand-waving. This is a science discussion forum.

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9 hours ago, jnana said:
Magister colin leslie dean has shown

Determinism shown to end in Meaninglessness nonsense

Causal determinism

“Causal determinism, sometimes synonymous with historical determinism (a sort of path dependence), is "the idea that every event is necessitated by antecedent events and conditions together with the laws of nature."  “Causal determinism has also been considered more generally as the idea that everything that happens or exists is caused by antecedent conditions”

take the 3 body problem –as a simplification of all things in the universe

But note all the universe is made up of things in interrelationships with everything else

if we take Newton’s law of gravitation

F = G(m1m2)/R2.

Thus when we move object A it effects the other two objects B and C
But when objects B and C move that effects object A

So

we can say that A in effect caused its own motion
thus we can say the antecedent cause of A is infact just the antecedent A itself

in other words the cause of the cause is the cause

just nonsense meaninglessness

note

because all things in the universe are interrelationships with everything else

then

from the above all things are their own antecedent cause

just nonsense meaninglessness

thus causation is both logically nonsense and science itself must then be meaningless nonsense

So far as I can discover, this Dean bloke seems to be some sort of self-promoting (and quite likely self-publishing) nutcase. I can’t find evidence that anyone takes him seriously.

What you have posted about his arguments does little to alter my impression. Are you Dean?

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Those links written by Dean is literally garbage, for his supposed degrees he certainly didn't learn the the first thing about how to write a decent paper. Though quite frankly there is nothing in those links that deals with physics. Seems more appropriate for philosophy but I honestly don't even see anything worth discussing even under philosophy.

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18 hours ago, jnana said:
if we take Newton’s law of gravitation

F = G(m1m2)/R2.

Thus when we move object A it effects the other two objects B and C
But when objects B and C move that effects object A

So

we can say that A in effect caused its own motion
thus we can say the antecedent cause of A is infact just the antecedent A itself

in other words the cause of the cause is the cause

just nonsense meaninglessness

This definition of the principle of causality as applied to classical mechanics is indeed a meaningless nonsense one, as you don't include time in it, or the paradigm of the differential equation, which is the way in which causality is implemented in physics. Fortunately neither Newton, nor Laplace, etc said anything of the kind.

It is, rather, state of A, B, C at time t1 causes state of A, B, C at time t2, which causes state of A, B, C at time t3, and so on.

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