geordief Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 49 minutes ago, Genady said: Because GR does not require an assumption of finite energy. In any case energy is a (relative) number rather than a thing isn't it. An infinite number of energies might sum up to a very small 'resultant" (is that right?) whereas there might be a way of directing the energy systems (whatever that means) so as to sum up to an infinite resultant . I imagine that is meaningless gobbledegook but perhaps you can devine something in it? Ps Is it right that some people consider the total energy in the universe to be zero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, geordief said: In any case energy is a (relative) number rather than a thing isn't it. Yes. It depends on reference frame. 3 minutes ago, geordief said: An infinite number of energies might sum up to a very small 'resultant" (is that right?) whereas there might be a way of directing the energy systems (whatever that means) so as to sum up to an infinite resultant As far as I can interpret it, it is correct. 3 minutes ago, geordief said: Is it right that some people consider the total energy in the universe to be zero? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordief Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Genady said: Yes. (Geordief asked "Is it right that some people consider the total energy in the universe to be zero" Gennady answered "Yes" ) If that is anyway near correct ,the expression "an infinite amount of energy" seems close to being a contradiction in terms.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 minute ago, geordief said: (Geordief asked "Is it right that some people consider the total energy in the universe to be zero" Gennady answered "Yes" ) If that is anyway near correct ,the expression "an infinite amount of energy" seems close to being a contradiction in terms.. I meant, yes, indeed some people consider the total energy in the universe to be zero. But I don't know what the "total energy in the universe" means. In some definition perhaps it might be zero. As "an infinite amount of energy", too. For example, if the universe is infinite in size and vacuum has energy, then there is an infinite amount of vacuum energy in the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, geordief said: Ps Is it right that some people consider the total energy in the universe to be zero? Yes I expect there are a fe people somewhere that consider this to be so. But in myopinion they would be wrong. Whatever else our universe might be of possess it is not empty. As soon as there is anything in a universe that anything must have a configuration and that configuration must possess energy of configuration, otherwise known as potential energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, studiot said: Yes I expect there are a fe people somewhere that consider this to be so. But in myopinion they would be wrong. Whatever else our universe might be of possess it is not empty. As soon as there is anything in a universe that anything must have a configuration and that configuration must possess energy of configuration, otherwise known as potential energy. Here Alan Guth explains why he thinks that total energy of the universe might be 0. Starting at the minute 22 until about the minute 26: Edited September 4, 2023 by Genady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiot Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Genady said: Here Alan Guth explains why he thinks that total energy of the universe might be 0. Starting at the minute 22 until about the minute 26: So how do you address my comment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genady Posted September 4, 2023 Share Posted September 4, 2023 1 minute ago, studiot said: So how do you address my comment ? If A.Guth is right, the positive potential energy which you describe in your comment might be countered by a negative energy of the gravitational field and the total might be 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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