danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 But i havent painted it cos i already have it, and no-one else has. So where did it come from? Edit: Does anyone else have any ideas or views on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 You sent the painting on the 20th day of the month to the 15th day of the month, so inturn you already have the painting on the 15th day. When you reach the 20th day if you where to look for yourself, you might find your self going into your time machine sending a painting back to the 15th day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 So now there is two of me? That doesnt make any sense lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 yes it make's perfect sence, because your future self sent it on the 20th, you got the painting on the 15th. And there will be two of you because you went into the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I didnt go into the past - i just sent the painting back. Id just carry on living my life as normal after i send the painting back the first time. Id just keep living my life as normal, i wouldnt bump into my future self on the 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 You said you did go into the past, as you just said in the past..And because you went to the past you will bump into your future self if you look! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 No - the only thing travelling into the past is the painting and the note. I dont travel through time at all except in the usual way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swansont Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 The "paradox" occurs because you've broken a physical law and yet assumed the rest still work. Once you have time travel you lose causality, so you can have the painting before you painted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Which law have i broken? Can you elaborate on the rest? - I'm not sure i understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Your right you did say the only thing that your sending using the time machine is the painting and the note. And now I believe your also right about how life will just go on normally. By Joe! I think you've got it! : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 That's what i thought, but id be glad to hear more from swansont on the matter. Although i should point out again that this isnt something i thought of alone, a physicist from the IoP thought it up. Im merely putting it in the way as a problem with time travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 it isn't a paradox. you are making the events circular again. you go: 1)paint the painting again 2)send it back in time 3)get it 4)1 again, but you don't paint it it is supposed to go: 1)you get it 2)you paint it 3)you send it back in time or 1)you don't get it 2)you don't paint it 3)you don't send it back in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 So i get it, then i paint it? How does that make sense? How can i paint something i already have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 it makes perfect sense. you can't send it if you don't paint it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 That's why it's a paradox. Your saying that i receive the painting and then i paint it, but how is it possible to paint the exact same painting im holding in my hand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ydoaPs Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 it is possible because you haven't painted it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 So what happened to the painting i found in the time machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 I believe what Danny is saying is this: Things only occour once in the future, If for example he sends a painting (on the 20th), to him self in the past (to the 15th) then on that day (the 20th) he nolonger has the painting, there is only the one, and that will be the one he gets on the 15th..Then once it is the 20th day of that month. He wont see him self sending the painting in the time machine because the "painting" not "him" went into the past: Hence: there cant be two paintings sharing the same time period in the time line because all chronological events move forward .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 It dosen't seem like a poradox to me. We have choices! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 So the painting just disappears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 No. you still have the "same" painting that you got on the 15th from the 20th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny8522003 Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Right, and so if i dont send that painting back, how does me in the past get it? If i dont send the painting back i dont get it on the 15th, if i dont send it back then i 'cant' have it on the 21st. Sounds like a paradox to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 Well!..The past is the past. Why do you think you cant have it on the 21st? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormholeman Posted July 30, 2005 Share Posted July 30, 2005 And did you not say "No - the only thing travelling into the past is the painting and the note. I dont travel through time at all except in the usual way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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