Bettina

Define "sexual predator" please.

Geez....you could have googled it yourself, but here is one of them out of many. Decide what state you want it from and go there.

http://www.ohiolaw.net/faq/Sexual_Predator.htm

Want my definition?

There are five of us (sometimes just four) who go to the mall two or three times a week. We live pretty close to each other. There are 4 girls including me, and one boy who is not the one I sing with. Were all great friends. Our parents won't let us go unless we are a group, so it works out.

We just hang around the center area and talk, or go into each store and look around. Usually we end up at Burger King for ice cream.

During our store browsing, we sometimes are aware of strangers that are more than just casual browsers. We will walk down an aisle for example and see some guy who looks at us, smiles, maybe says hello, and continues on. This is normal, and we smile back. We may see him again, he will glance at us, and go back to what he was doing. He's a normal person. So is the guy looking to buy something for his son or daughter and will ask us which one we would pick. Thats happens a lot and we help him or her out.

Then there are the ones who don't say anything, but will keep a prolonged eye contact with us. If you were a girl, you would know what I mean. Then that same guy will show up next to us in almost every aisle pretending he's shopping for the same stuff. We can see him staring at us every chance he can get.

That freaks us out. The final test is Rob (the boy) who will come between us and stare back at him in a prolonged manner. When that happens, the guy suddenly decides to walk out of the store. When we leave the mall, I'm glad Rob is with us, but still, I look at all the dark places for shadows until one of our parents pick us up.

Maybe that guy is just admiring us, maybe he remembers having kids that age, maybe he doesn't have kids but wishes he did....or maybe he's a predator. We don't know.

What I just described happens to us maybe once every three months in varying degrees, not a big deal and like I said we stay in a group. But if any of you guys are innocently doing that, I want to let you know that it freaks us big time.

Bettina

I think the criminal court and prison system exists to protect people and not to exact revenge on those convicted.

I think sexual predators of children if it does not involve death, should be put away for life without parole. THATS the only way the system will protect.

People, including judges and jury members, can make mistakes; innocent people can be convicted.

I agree with you, but doctors who claim the monster is cured and can be brought back into society should be held accountable. If a doctor cut off your wrong leg, would you just pat him on the back and say "hey we all make mistakes"? I bet you wouldn't

I understand what your saying about innocent people and I agree with you, but new technology makes that almost nil now. If there is any doubt, then you put them away for life unless some new evidence frees them.

But if DNA, a confession, and other evidence is solid, then I want him put to death if it involves a child rape and murder.

Now they say that this monster sexually molested her for more than two days before killing her. Put yourself in her shoes. I still do and thats what makes me sick....literally.

Bettina

Everybody has certain things that really hit home to them. Rather to be too sensitive than not sensitive enough. Since you feel such a need to be an advocate for young people, why don't you inquire about being a "big sister". You have posted before that your mother left your home when you were small. You would probably have a special empathy for young girls who don't have a mom for one reason or other.

Thanks Coquina, and the others too.

My dad never let me work, but promised I could this year. So this summer I will be working for the park department in the swimming section. My application has been approved, and I will be working with the young kids teaching them safety and basic swimming instructions. These are the little ones at the shallow end of the pool. This is something I'm going to like and its every morning during the summer.

Being a person with HSP, I still have a knot in my stomach about Jessica that will take me days to get over but I will, like I got over 11 year old Carly Brusha. I sang pretty good in church today without welling up too much. My male friend kept poking me in the ribs when he knew I was going over. He's the 15 year old I kind of like that sings with me at the senior home and church.

I'm normally a happy person 90% of the time, but when I read things like this I tend to spiral downward unless I drop it quick. What the average person feels about this crime is amplified tenfold in people like me. It only takes about 15 seconds to go from happy to not and I've fought this all my life without success. I just can't help it. Its not just people either, its animals too. My christmas singing is another.

This is a science forum, so I kind of believe that the posters here are people with blue hearts while mine is a very deep red thus the difference of opinions.

I think I'm wrong about this but I don't know.

I'm lucky to have good friends at school, a good dad, and good friends here too. Thanks for understanding and like I said I'll be good.

Bettina

If you have ever looked at my other posts, you can pretty much figure out two things about me. First, I draw a fine line between good and evil, and second, I'm a very emotional girl and an empath of the worst kind. At least thats what the doctors tell me. This is why I cry when I sing or read bad news like 9 year old Jessica. I really got sick over this.

I have to go sing in church in a few minutes, and when I do, I will most likely excuse myself because I just can't get her out of my mind. She was only 9 and died for the sexual pleasure of a beast. If he doesn't get the death penalty for this, then there is no justice as far as I am concerned. I really felt what she went thru the last half hour of her life.

With that said, I showed my father this thread last night....big mistake...

Though he agrees with most of my opinions 100%, and wants to see him put to death like I do, he was big time annoyed at my attitude toward all of you. "I didn't raise you like that....childish" etc etc. He's right. This is not me. Maybe a small part of my deep inner self, but definately not me.

I'm sorry to all of you for the insulting way that I posted, and I won't do it anymore. At least, I hope I don't. My dad and I have no secrets, and I show him other posts when I want his opinion, so I'll try to be good.

Your all OK with me and no reply is neccessary. I just wanted to say I'm sorry.

Bettina

No the registered sex offender designation should not be abolished. It serves a useful purpose in that it allows communities to identify people who may be of danger to their citizens. It applies rather broadly to a wide variety of offenses.

 

Take indecent exposure. This is a sex offense. However I would argue that while it may lead to other rather unpleasant behaviors' date=' it is not an offense for which any reasonable society would seek life in prison, let alone the death penalty.

 

The designation of sexual predator is also a good one and so far the U.S. Supreme court has not struck this approach down. It allows prisons and parole boards to take into account the likelihood of an offender repeating his crime one released.

 

Allow me to offer some observations:

 

1. Not all sex offenders are sociopaths.

 

2. Not all sociopaths kill.

 

3. Not all sociopaths commit sexual offenses.

 

4. Most sexual offenders violate their own, not strangers.

 

5. Most sexual offenders do not become murderers.

 

6. The violent sexual predator is a rarity rather among sex offenders.

 

7. Not all families of victims support the death penalty.

 

8. Most of the families of victims are not eager to carry out the death penalty personally.

 

9. Not all sexual offenders are pedophiles but it is difficult to rehabilitate both pedophiles and criminal sociopaths.

 

10. We happen to have an adversarial system of justice. It is required that a defendant present a defense and, in most cases, judges require defendants to have attorneys. Without a defense attorney, trials rarely take place.

 

Now Bettina, which of these [b']facts[/b] would you like to discuss, once you have caught your breath.

 

I will ask you again the question you ignored earlier: Why do you personally hate this particular man? Or do you expend such energy hating every murderer in America? If the latter is the case, I am sad that your life will be so wasted when you could instead spend some energy contributing your time and your talents to the betterment of others.

I will need a day to think about what you have posted. It is obvious that you know much more about sexual predators, sociopaths, sexual offenders, and families of victims, than I do, even though you didn't post sources, so please give me a day.

If you can't understand why I hate this man, then you need some moral training.

Bettina

Firstly nice quote Pangloss

 

But there seems to be no point arguing with you two i mean you are seriously considering putting the lawyers and expert whitnesses on trial for defending this guy which I believe the law in your contry is that every1 deserves a fair trial? I mean theres just no reasoning with you.

 

 

 

Don't foreget the lynch mob. Oh yeah did it ever occur to you that maybe the parents are opposed to the death sentence and are not all bloodthirsty manics like yourself.

 

 

 

Yeah thats their job they are paid to do that and it is the law that they try their hardest for their client the law can't be totally one-sided...

 

 

 

I have never held a vigil or been in a support rally for this man or any other where the hell did you get that from!

 

 

 

Oh ok thats good you remain immature and stupid and don't think like rational people who see that mass murder of lawyers and expert whitnesses as completely irrational...

 

 

 

Well this is a tough one because they are doing their jobs to the letter of the law and they did not commit any crimes...

 

~Scott

You've solidified the side you sit on

Bettina

Ok' date=' I will try again with a different quote.

 

"Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."

 

Martin Luther King, Jr., Strength To Love, 1963.[/quote']

 

Thats good...

 

Now we can go ahead and put up signs at the entrance of every mall.

"Its now ok to murder the young girl you raped because you won't die for it. You will go to prison and get the best care money can buy. Thats the most you have to worry about.....Have fun"

 

Bettina

One more thing. "Registered sex offender" is something that should be abolished. These people should be in jail for life. Especially if the offense involved a minor. These people will not stop trying to do it again, until they reach a point where they have nothing to lose and murder next time.

Bettina

Speaking of antisocial behaviour....anyway moving on i think you are either extremly immature or extremly stupid sorry if that sounds yarsh ...but seriously burn all the lawyers that represent him?!? Hey way stop there lets burn all the lawyers that have ever represented a murderer! Yeah that sounds like a great Idea any1 for anarchy . And oh yeah don't foreget the judges....Need i go on...

 

~Scott

On one side of the courtroom there will be Jessica's father, mother, grandparents, and a lawyer of some kind. In the back of them will be neighbors, friends, and people like me who want to see justice served, who want this fiend dead, and I do want him dead. I want the parents to be in the room pulling the switch to revenge their daughters rape and murder.

On the other side of the courtroom, will be the hideous monster, his two lawyers, relatives, and a couple of psychiatrists. Maybe even the same lawyers who got him released last time. They will be there to try to prevent the state from killing him. They will try to prove the parents of Jessica as unfit. They will try to prove that Jessica didn't have her bedroom door locked with four padlocks. They will try to prove the police coerced the confession from him. They will try to prove that his rights were violated, etc etc.

In the back of those people on that side of the courtroom will be people like you. People who will hold vigils to protect him. People who will be carrying signs saying "Do not kill". People who will write their congressmen aborhing the death sentence.

When this is over, I want the lawyers and psychiatrists who went the extra mile to free this beast last time to stand trial themselves as being incompetent to hold a valid license. I want those responsible to pay.

I rather be extremely immature and extremely stupid than be like you or any other of you that think like this any day. No offense.

Bettina

Our law states that everyone is entitled to a fair trial and that if they can't afford a lawyer' date=' the court will appoint one for them. If this man has admitted guilt, a large portion of the trial process will be eliminated. However, if he didn't, and if every lawyer refused to represent him, he could not be tried and he would be set free.

 

I'm no big fan of lawyers, but there have to be public defenders.

 

Suppose someone was murdered and you just happened to walk around the corner and instant later, and the person who committed the crime had disappeared. At the same time you come into view, several witnesses exit through a store across the street. They see you and the victim, and no one else. It is going to be assumed that you committed the murder, and you are going to need a good lawyer...even if you can't afford one.

 

You are upset right now, and rightfully so. However, it is easy for someone to come to the wrong conclusion. That is why lynch mobs are a bad idea.[/quote']

 

Yes, I'm upset but I've come to no wrong conclusion. I just want the lawyers and analysts who go out of their way to free perpetual sex offenders like this to be punished along with him.

He did what he did because he knows he wont die. He knows lawyers will protect him. He knows the worst that will happen to him is prison. He's been there before so it will be easy for him and all the while he's in there some lawyer will be trying to get him out.

 

Like I said, shame on all of you who are against capital punishment in cases like this. I won't change my mind. I had her picture in my room cause she was like me.

 

Bettina.

http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/What_is_a_sociopath

 

 

 

Sociopath is the clinical name for this type of individual. It comes in all manner of extremes. The case you cited is certainly one of them. To me' date=' Scott Peterson fits the definition even more so. He not only killed his wife and unborn son, he called Amber Fry and pretended to be in Paris, while a service was being held for his missing wife.

 

The most dangerous thing about them is that they are so ordinary. They do not look like monsters or act unusual under everyday circumstances, they are very good actors, but in fact, they have no feeling or regard for anyone but themselves. The only regret they ever feel is if they get caught.

 

They are wired so differently from the average human, that we have no conception of how they function. Actually, I think a better analogy would be "short circuited". Something in their brain is fried and there is no way to put it right.

 

I think there should be a special category of institutionalization for this type of person. IMHO, Sociopaths are criminally insane, and I don't think they should be mixed in with the general criminal population, because at least some of those people have the chance of rehabilitation. Exposing them to sociopaths can't be beneficial. Neither do I think someone diagnosed as a sociopath should ever, ever, have a snowball's chance in hell of getting out.

 

Should they be subject to capital punishment? If they have been convicted on the basis of substantial evidence (ie several people witnessed the crime, there is DNA, gunshot, ballistics, etc that supports it) I believe so. If they have been convicted on circumstantial evidence, I say no.[/quote']

 

This "thing" was caught three times before. Once sneaking into a girls bedroom and kissing her. She was young too.

He admitted the crime of the Florida girl. I want him dead and all the lawyers who try so hard to set him free should be rounded up and burned too.

I hate him so much it hurts. I hate those lawyers and judges too.

I won't change my mind on what we should do with monsters like this.

 

Bettina

 

EDIT.....to all his supporters.....just try to think what that girl went thru the last 15 minutes of her life.....what he did to her......how she begged.....cried.....think about that!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7190457/

I,m sorry for bringing up an old post, but I've been following this story for weeks hoping for some good to come of it, but it didn't.

You have no idea how much this bothered me. I had tears running down my face and now I can't get her out of my mind.

This girl was like me. She had no mother to speak of and lived with her dad. She was more like me in her personality too. I loved her without even knowing her.

Why did I post? Because I'm right in classifying people like I did, and I want to slap the faces of all of you who want to protect monsters like this. If I get banned from this board so be it. I won't care. I want this monster dead. I want his father to pull the switch and watch him fry and I want it done tommorrow. I don't want to wait 10 years to see justice done. I hate him.

To all of you who wish to protect these monsters, shame on you. Take a long look at her photo. If ever in the course of growing up I should ever remotely think like you then shame on me.

Don't bother with condemming me...I won't answer.

Bettina

 

That can't be right.

Hahahahahaha........

Here I am.....all 45 questions.

Edit....Boy that fits me all right.

Talking Generally, or just within my actions in this post?

There just pulling your leg.

I think you might be being a little niave' date=' answering this question with seriousness.

 

I see 'Ren' (many apologies if I am incorect here) as posting this, for a laugh, and then pointing out to his friends how we all took it seriously. I have seen this sort of thing happen before.

 

Mabye im too cynical?[/quote']

 

You may be right about Ren, we don't know. But YT niave? Nope. He answered it the way it should have been answered.

 

Bettina

The first of these is very limited in value and usage.

 

 

This speculation on your part is poorly phrased' date=' in my opinion. Scientists typically consider the universe only in terms of post big bang, as they have no methods currently to consider otherwise. However, this is not in itself proof, or even strong evidence, that that is all that there is.[/quote']

 

If the books I'm reading are wrong or outdated, could you please tell me about some of the ones that make you think that? I'm not being sarcastic. I want to know what the latest works are.

 

Bettina

I hope this is right, if not, please correct my thinking.

When we speak of the Universe, we can speak two different ways.

1. The universe is the entire area that happened as the result of the big bang that we are capable of seeing.

2. The universe is the entire area that happened as the result of the big bang and includes what we see and what we are yet incapable of seeing but nevertheless must be there.

There is no universe outside of what the big bang created.

So if you draw a sphere (or flat piece of paper if your a flatlander) and say that is what the big bang created, then that is our universe.

Bettina

Life will be impossible for any species, but time per se will not stop. Although if nobody is left then what exactly is time good for.

Eventually even the black holes will evaporate though it will be many trillions of years after the last fire goes out before they do. I don't know how long it will take after that before matter itself breaks down too.

Not to worry.....

I expect another big bang will happen somewhere at sometime, and start this whole discussion over again

Bettina

Why do cosmologists and theorists insist on a multi dimensional universe? Is it because they've run out of avenues to pursue in this 3D universe? Is this the only way to go' date=' imagine this, imagine that?

 

Perhaps a whole new way of thinking is required or is it impossible to come up with a TOE without extra dimensions. From my side of the fence it seems like a lot of head scratching going on with the cosmology side. I'm not pretending to know the answer, just wondering.[/quote']

 

Thats what I think too. When they had no answers to some questions, they thought up quantum mechanics.

I dont believe in the string theory stuff, parallel universes, and other dimensions. I only believe what those telescope show me. Your not alone in your thinking....and no...my mind is not closed.

 

Bettina

HI, I don't have an answer for your question, however I have one of my own if anyone has any ideas. Why can we not use the direction of other galaxies that are moving away from us and the speed they are traveling to triangulate the origin of the Big Bang. I mean all galaxies are most likely to still be moving away from the Big Bang which means if we can identify only a few galaxies to our so called Northe south east and west, and the speed and direction from us and us from them, We should be able to determine which direction all of them are going and triangulate the origin of the Big Bang. Right? We need to clone Einstein.

Because on Earth, everything is moving away from us in all directions. But, if you were on Andromeda you would see everything moving away from you in all directions too. No matter where you are in the universe its the same.

Its hard to find the "center" if no matter where you are in the universe, everything is moving away from you in all directions.

Andromeda, BTW is actually moving closer to us because of gravitational pull but thats another story.

Bettina

That was mentioned in an article I read about the death of the universe. It was trillions and trillions of years after the last light of the universe went out. At that point it said even matter will begin to decay. I'm looking for that article now.

Bettina

explain, please.

Nothing to explain really. The "present" thinking is that there is not enough dark energy to stop the expansion. The universe will keep on expanding and will not reverse, crunch, and be reborn. (the oscillating universe).

This means the stars will eventually use up there fuel and burn out. The distances between matter will continue to increase. The universe will end up at or near absolute zero and there will be no light. It will be a very cold, dark, and dead place. Even gravity will eventually decay.

Personally, I think its all baloney. Even after this dead universe continues on, Somewhere another quark will pop in and another universe will be born.

Bettina

KholdStunner

I feel bad that you have no replys, so I'm giving you one

Go to this link which was about two posts above in case your missing it.

Its a great article. Then come back if you have more questions. This is a great place to learn and it's filled with great people.

C U L8tr

Bettina

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=1&articleID=0009F0CA-C523-1213-852383414B7F0147

A Dog.....

Our Wheaton terrier is our best friend. Sleeps on my bed with me.

Just a word of caution. Don't get a pet unless your ready for one. A dog can live 18 years and you have to show it lots of love and attention. They need that. It has to become part of your life not a fill in.

Bettina