Moontanman

I guess you could be correct, i mean there must be lots of reasons people would want to set up a huge lower case t in the desert on top of hill so everyone can see it. Literacy maybe? Do they set up other letters around the world so every one will know the alphabet? Maybe they are trying to teach the space alien visitors their letters?

I said I believe in the possibility of it, I know where it is not, not where it is.

Then at least we agree on one thing.

This would be greatly dependent on whose definition of favorable you were using don't you think?

I think there is the possibility of absolute truth, but you will not find it in religion or the bible or any other supernatural teachings.

Obtaining that piece of metal to start with is the real problem. Even a hydrogen world would not have much in the way of native iron, and it does take heat to make steel. Although pure iron would be more common than the earth. With out a source of heat i doubt very seriously they would have anything even like the industrial revolution much less electronics.

Recycling nuclear waste will make what we call waste valuable fuel. http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf04.html These reactors would be able to use reprocessed waste or actually use fuel completely up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_breeder_reactor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_IV_reactor Then there are Thorium reactors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium

Stupidity is always bad.

That stage already happened on the Earth, it's called the stone age... we are talking about going further than the stone age, i should have clarified metal tools i guess but we already did that at the beginning of the thread.

Yes, almost by definition a world large enough to have a hydrogen atmosphere would have active geology but using a lava to make tools would seem to not be possible.

Swansont are you actually suggesting any of the crosses we have been discussing are lower case t's? Is the cross on the mountain or in the grave yards just lower case t's? I googled Latin cross, no where was it mentioned as a lower case t, in all cases it had religious significance of some sort and the Latin cross was specifically defined as a Christian cross. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross Notice it does not say Latin cross or crux ordinaria also known as the Christian cross. http://www.seiyaku.com/customs/crosses/latin.html If I understand the rule here you need to quantify your assertion that a Latin cross is not necessarily a Christian symbol with something other than your assertion.

God? I thought we were talking about aliens, I doubt aliens have any need or desire to protect us from anything. if contact with aliens has produced our ideas about God i would think the contacts were meant more to experiment with how to control and influence us for their own benefit. .

Seriously, you need to read the rules, "I read it somewhere" is not the way this works, you are the one who needs to look it up, not me.

Oh yeah? On what? Please provide more than just a blind claim.

Well the link I provided says a Latin Cross is by definition a Christian cross and while I would like to believe you are correct it would be good to see something besides your assertion that my link is mistaken.

Here is the disclosure projects take on what Hawkings said. http://www.disclosureproject.org/response-to-hawking.htm http://www.disclosureproject.org/index.shtml Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedCan you elaborate why you weren't surprised that project sign saw evidence of extraterrestrials and project grudge didn't?

I often wonder how Christains would react if some religious symbol other than theirs was ot be displayed promonantly on or in or even around any publicly owned building or property. I hoestly do not have aproblem with a naitivity sceene being used at the local fire house at Christmas or the symbols of easter at Easter. it's sometimes annoying to think of money being spent on religous symbols, especially at a time when money is tight and needed services are being restricted. But I wonder if i wanted a Displayed at the time of Beltane at one of these public places what the reaction of these good Tolerant Christians would be. Even if i paid for it I bet they'd be steppen and fetchin' like their asses were on fire and their heads were catchin'. I answered my own question from above, these are the 39 symbols allowed by the Pentagon on veterans graves. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Veterans_Affairs_emblems_for_headstones_and_markers

The Latin cross is indeed Christain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_cross From this article it would appear that virtually all crosses are religious symbols of some form but he cross as displayed in the public grave yards ans on that hill is a Christian cross and as such is not secular any more than any other cross is.

I'd like to know if there are any graves of anyone who is not Jewish or Christian in that grave yard and if there is what symbol is used for those people? The cross as shown, a long bottom and three short arms is a Christian symbol.

I'd have to say no on that, if life had be discovered in space it would be huge news, no way it would be ignored or covered up.

Evidently quite a large amount of oil seeps to the surface naturally http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000127082228.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090513130944.htm http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/abstracts/hedberg2002/kvenvolden01/kvenvolden01.htm http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm

This has everything to do with is contact good or not, i say it's nuetral, aliens would have no desire to take our planet because it's unlikely that star traveling aliens would need planets. My wife thought the pic was a cartoon army tank... go figure! Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI'm really not trying to prove UFOs are real any more than Hawkings was trying to prove they are real. i think Hawkings is sadly unaware of how unlikely it would be that aliens could use the earth, He is brilliant man in his field is is a giant but in biochemistry he is not the same giant. Any aliens would be far more likely to be inhabiting the fringes of our solar system if they are here at all. It does how ever annoy me for people to dismiss out of hand UFOs as lights in the sky or crazies. there are UFO reports that have an embarrassing amount of evidence, are seen by multiple witnesses recorded on ground radar, military aircraft radar seen on the ground and in the air by military pilots and crews and civilian airline crews and this is just one sighting over a nuclear missile base! J Allen Hynek started out as a skeptic hired by the military to debunk UFOs, he ended up believing that some UFOs were inexplicable and should be studied. the first US Air force study concluded that UFOs were interplanetary space craft of alien origin. the air force general or what ever refused to believe it and got a new group together that came back and told him what he wanted to hear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimate_of_the_Situation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sign Now to me the idea that you might get tangible evidence of a flying saucer seems unlikely at best and totally unreasonable any way you look at it. I live near an airport under a landing path that takes aircraft directly over my house many times a day at low altitudes of a couple hundred feet. i have yet to see a bolt or any other piece of an aircraft fall off. Why would anyone expect to find a piece of an advanced interplanetary craft fall off? i admit that the actions of UFOs seems obscure at best and the idea that an alien intelligence would fly light years to buzz an airplane and leave seems unlikely but if they are actually here in our solar system getting information about our reactions to their craft might be important enough to do a fly by every once in a while. They might even stop a lone traveler and do some tests on him or her. None of this proves anything but I think the idea of aliens coming her and taking over the earth is highly unlikely due to biology if nothing else.

So you ask him WTF does he think he can stop you and he wackes your tail light and says you have a tail light out, please step out of the car. You comply and "hit your head" trying to take his gun, you go to jail and in the position of your word against along time police officer. Hmmmm...

I've seen police officers handle very rude often abusive individuals, generally they took far more than I would personally. I can't see any reason to be rude to someone who is simply trying to his job, as long as he treats me with a reasonable amount of respect he will get it from me. My politics might generally be liberal but I am also civilized and feel like people do indeed have certain basic rights but so do police officers. They have a difficult job, often enforcing unpopular laws on people who are too stupid to to know holding their tongues and being polite will get you through more check points for things like drugs and alcohol than trying to insure your "rights". (although the idea of a check point pisses me off big time) If the police do get out of hand with me I would be the first insist on a supervisor and then a lawyer but trying to provoke a possibly tired and on his "last nerve" police officer is really stupid.

I think that if indeed this was supposed to represent a real space craft it is a cut away view to demonstrate there is someone inside the craft. it is not intended to show a real space craft but a stylized version of what the artist thought was going on. We do the same thing when we draw stylized versions of airplanes, of course it could be the space craft are really not traveling that fast and are in fact gliding over the scene slowly. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedMy wife gave me a rather unique view point when i asked her what she saw in the above pic. She is not into UFOs as a skeptic or believer.