Moontanman

I'd like to know if there are any graves of anyone who is not Jewish or Christian in that grave yard and if there is what symbol is used for those people? The cross as shown, a long bottom and three short arms is a Christian symbol.

I'd have to say no on that, if life had be discovered in space it would be huge news, no way it would be ignored or covered up.

Evidently quite a large amount of oil seeps to the surface naturally http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000127082228.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/05/090513130944.htm http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/abstracts/hedberg2002/kvenvolden01/kvenvolden01.htm http://www.rense.com/general63/refil.htm

This has everything to do with is contact good or not, i say it's nuetral, aliens would have no desire to take our planet because it's unlikely that star traveling aliens would need planets. My wife thought the pic was a cartoon army tank... go figure! Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI'm really not trying to prove UFOs are real any more than Hawkings was trying to prove they are real. i think Hawkings is sadly unaware of how unlikely it would be that aliens could use the earth, He is brilliant man in his field is is a giant but in biochemistry he is not the same giant. Any aliens would be far more likely to be inhabiting the fringes of our solar system if they are here at all. It does how ever annoy me for people to dismiss out of hand UFOs as lights in the sky or crazies. there are UFO reports that have an embarrassing amount of evidence, are seen by multiple witnesses recorded on ground radar, military aircraft radar seen on the ground and in the air by military pilots and crews and civilian airline crews and this is just one sighting over a nuclear missile base! J Allen Hynek started out as a skeptic hired by the military to debunk UFOs, he ended up believing that some UFOs were inexplicable and should be studied. the first US Air force study concluded that UFOs were interplanetary space craft of alien origin. the air force general or what ever refused to believe it and got a new group together that came back and told him what he wanted to hear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimate_of_the_Situation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sign Now to me the idea that you might get tangible evidence of a flying saucer seems unlikely at best and totally unreasonable any way you look at it. I live near an airport under a landing path that takes aircraft directly over my house many times a day at low altitudes of a couple hundred feet. i have yet to see a bolt or any other piece of an aircraft fall off. Why would anyone expect to find a piece of an advanced interplanetary craft fall off? i admit that the actions of UFOs seems obscure at best and the idea that an alien intelligence would fly light years to buzz an airplane and leave seems unlikely but if they are actually here in our solar system getting information about our reactions to their craft might be important enough to do a fly by every once in a while. They might even stop a lone traveler and do some tests on him or her. None of this proves anything but I think the idea of aliens coming her and taking over the earth is highly unlikely due to biology if nothing else.

So you ask him WTF does he think he can stop you and he wackes your tail light and says you have a tail light out, please step out of the car. You comply and "hit your head" trying to take his gun, you go to jail and in the position of your word against along time police officer. Hmmmm...

I've seen police officers handle very rude often abusive individuals, generally they took far more than I would personally. I can't see any reason to be rude to someone who is simply trying to his job, as long as he treats me with a reasonable amount of respect he will get it from me. My politics might generally be liberal but I am also civilized and feel like people do indeed have certain basic rights but so do police officers. They have a difficult job, often enforcing unpopular laws on people who are too stupid to to know holding their tongues and being polite will get you through more check points for things like drugs and alcohol than trying to insure your "rights". (although the idea of a check point pisses me off big time) If the police do get out of hand with me I would be the first insist on a supervisor and then a lawyer but trying to provoke a possibly tired and on his "last nerve" police officer is really stupid.

I think that if indeed this was supposed to represent a real space craft it is a cut away view to demonstrate there is someone inside the craft. it is not intended to show a real space craft but a stylized version of what the artist thought was going on. We do the same thing when we draw stylized versions of airplanes, of course it could be the space craft are really not traveling that fast and are in fact gliding over the scene slowly. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedMy wife gave me a rather unique view point when i asked her what she saw in the above pic. She is not into UFOs as a skeptic or believer.

Yes, I can agree with that. Now look at this picture, as a totally independent picture. don't take into account where it came from or what it is supposed to be. What do you see?

I'm not sure why showing a law enforcement officer some level of respect is allowing him to trample my rights. I treat them the same way I treat anyone else, I expect them to treat me with some respect as well but if i was in a position that called for the officer to suspect me for some reason giving him the finger would seem to be needlessly provocative in any situation. If I really felt he was trampling my rights i would contact a lawyer and we would go to court, doing something disrespectful back to him seems childish and counter productive to me.

Sorry mooeypoo, we were looking at different sites, the one I offered showed medieval paintings first. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedthis is the most reasonable discussion of the subject I have been able to find. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocontact http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oannes#As_Oannes It has honestly been many years since I delved very deeply into this stuff and i find that Erich von Däniken was conservative compared to the stuff out now. From what i read now this stuff has feed on it's self using it's self to reference it's self and now has mutated beyond any recognition of any real facts or even speculations. It's really sad, at one time I was almost a reasonable line of inquiry, now it's crazies pumping sunshine up the skirts of other crazies to the point it has no relevance what so ever to reality. WOW maybe I should set up a site and hawk my theory, it's as good as anyone else's and just as based in fact and I could be a crazy too...

Most police officers I've had the misfortune to cross were quite polite and nice about it, I've seen them put up with stuff that if it was done to me someones ass would have been kicked. They catch quite a bit of hell due to unpopular laws and the occasional officer who really is an asshole. But then again... A good friend of mine was killed by a police officer in a traffic stop, the officer accidentally shot him at point blank range in the back of the head while he sat at the wheel of his car. He had a history of problems with that police officer and the officer went scott free. No one was there to say what really happened. I think I'll continue to treat them with respect, deserved or not, i don't want a 9mm in the back of my head.

I cannot believe that aliens would closely resemble humans either but of course the conspiracy theorists say the people we meet as aliens are actually humans they have raised and trained (the reason for the late night baby stealing) if it was easy to see and the evidence was irrefutable then there would be no doubt and all would be revealed. the idea is to see into the past via these images and some stories as well to get at a hidden truth. I'm not sure if there is a hidden truth or if the truth is even close to what has been proposed but i know if we dismiss the ideas out of hand then we will never know unless the aliens reveal themselves to us at some point. Of course there are those who say this has already happened and the government has chosen to hide this from us. I'd love to continue this as an intelligent discussion but I'll have to dig very deep to find any more intelligent material. there used to be some plausible if unlikely theories available but in recent years every crazy on the planet has been able to post his or her personal take on this and the ideas are seldom intelligent or even resemble any realistic credible possibility. I'll try to see if I can dredge up any of the older stuff but my google search today has turned up nothing but bull butter. i still say the most likely IF is that aliens live in our solar system independant of planets, if they are here, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bust thier asses everytime the jump

I guess that's true but i am a lawful citizen of the USA, my respect for law enforcement would preclude such a disrespectful attitude.

Obviously there is no proof, and yes if it was aliens the ancients didn't know it, at least not publicly. some conspiracy theorists (i say it that way because it is indeed a conspiracy theory) say that it was known to some and the painting portrayed it secretly as in the tiny hard to see space craft or other hidden ways. I'm not sure I buy that but the images are hauntingly familiar to modern day UFO sightings and if they are connected the connection could have real meaning even if it wasn't aliens or gods. While it doesn't say they were good or bad it does seem to say something odd is happening. This is really reaching dude. So you really think aliens would be little green men with ray guns? How would you expect aliens to be portrayed? Really, you don't see the details the artist put in the rock? Why were the details put in, why is the man and the dog looking at the rock? Blemish? Painters cover blemishes with paint, not space ships, if it was blemish why is the man looking at it, why would the man the dog and the "rock" be in the deep back round of a painting of the Madonna? The idea is the painter was trying to preserve the idea of something being behind the religious ideas that was not religion? Good or bad, if is was a lie then it had to be bad.

I think you may have created a monster, lol, i had to go around my elbow to get to my ass to do this but i figured out how to get the URL to the image, i had to go to properties to get it.

Lots of meteors are portrayed in art, this is not a flaming rock by any means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia No thank you, i don't drink from that particular brand of koolaid, the face on mars was obviously in question but this object floating in the sky is a structured craft, the painter went through great pains to show it as such, it is not a simple rock in the sky. it has details no rock would have or need in a painting. That would pretty much be the $64,000 question ya know, the whole idea is that aliens are some how involved in or inspired religion.

Asteroid? Seriously dude, that would be as wild as an alien space craft since they had no concept of asteroid when that was painted. that picture when blown up looks like a craft of some sort to me, i can't see it as anything else, I'd admit it might be a stylized idea of a boat of some kind but to say it doesn't show a craft of some sort is really out there. And if it is a simple boat why is it in the sky? Merged post follows: Consecutive posts mergedI don't get the option of view picture when I right click on it, i have to down load it to my computer then to this site and then get the pic to put it in the thread.

Then you didn't bother to look at the pictures, the most suggestive of technology is The Madonna with Saint Giovannino http://dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art.html Many others are also suggestive of technology

While i tend to believe the cultural aspect of UFOs is a more likely explanation, the depiction of what is obviously technology is odd. World wide the depiction of dragons differs drastically but it is always based in part on the portrayal of living animals, usually highly stylized snakes or lizards but how do you explain the portrayal of advanced technology and often identical images? BTW yodaP "lights in the sky" is a low blow, skeptics often use this to ridicule the idea of UFOs even though many sighting are far more than just lights in the sky. If all UFOs were just lights in the sky then there would be no question they are alien space craft or not. I think it's wrong to portray UFOs as though they are ridiculous, they might be hallucinations or even hoaxes but they are not simply lights in the sky by any realistic definition.

I'm not sure how it works in Arizona but in my state if you are carrying a legal concealed weapon and are confronted by the police you are expected to immediately inform the officer you are carrying the weapon and produce your permit.

Not pointless, it is indeed speculation but not pointless, no one is trying to predict the type of aliens we are trying to form a hypothesis that explains why they would be here. My hypothesis is if and I know it's a big IF but if aliens are here how and why are they messing with us? If they come directly from even the nearest star it would seem ridiculous that they just land and pick up some one on a dark country road and do an anal probe or in the past mess with us in a way that inspires religion but they never take over or really do anything. Even 4.5 light years is along way to come to do something so obtuse or obscure. i think that if they are here they are colonizing the solar system via artificial habitats build from the resources available here. they have been here for thousands of years at least and have no use for planets and their concern with us is the idea that we might eventually come out into space as they have and then they will be forced to interact with us. so they study us, to see if they can manipulate us and how to best interact with us. Maybe religion is the way they hope to control us at some point and the religious teaching they have handed down are so they can at some point claim to the the legions of god to keep us under control. possibly their own morals prohibit them actually killing us all so this is a better way to control us. This is more reasonable than the idea they would just take over the Earth from us. It's unlikely the Earth would be usable to them for the reasons already given in this thread. Merged post follows: Consecutive posts merged Actually no, dragons are the result of evidence available to nearly all cultures of antiquity (huge bones) and the way the human minds works in all cultures to make similar imaginary symbols (this also happens to be my favorite theory of why all cultures have all seen objects/gods/angels/demons in the sky but not part of this thread)

Mooeypoo, seriously, you picked the absolutely least convincing pics out of all those pics. You have done what most skeptics do, they cherry pick the data to show the least convincing reports and ignore or gloss over the really convincing stuff. Much like the people who say all UFO reports and or pics are either nothing but lights in the sky or so good they have to be fake. There is no way to win! At the very least the images of a saucer or hat shaped objects is either the product of some sort of imagery the human mind makes up across both time and culture or it represents some real objects common to all those times and cultures. It is amazing how those hat shaped objects show up in art from cave drawings to medieval art as well but the hat shaped objects are not even close to being the most convincing objects of antiquity. You ignored the medieval art work that clearly shows some sort of technology, the cave painting are images on top of images, it's difficult to say for sure which images are connected with others or clearly different images painted over others. The images you chose to show are among the least impressive and clearly could be almost anything. others how ever are not so easily shunted away into the category of seeing what you want to see. try these The Madonna with Saint Giovannino The Crucifixion Glorification of the Eucharist from this link http://dudeman.net/siriusly/ufo/art.html They may indeed be some sort of coincidence but I don't see how they can be dismissed completely, especially "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino"

Did you check out those paintings in the link I provided? Some of them are really impossible to explain and the connection between them and religion has to be more than coincidence!

I really need a high speed connection!