Moontanman

Does feeling better after you do something count? I eat throat lozenges with zinc when i have a sore throat, it seems to help, vitamin d is supposed to make you healthier so i keep a good tan (if you are fair skinned this might be best done in moderation) but I do feel better when i have a good tan, eating salads also make me feel better especially if there is lots of fruit in the salads, is this anecdotal or does the way i feel count?

Well concerning the water, recent news seems to indicate there is indeed significant quantities of water on the moon, as for research the far side of the moon would be great for radio astronomy, i am sure there are other things that would be better not done on the earth or be easier on the moon. as for power, aneutronic fusion needs helium 3, lots of it on the moon, almost none on the earth, the equivalent of a space shuttle load of such fuel could power the entire USA for one year with no radioactive waste at all.

I think you should know that this particular creation myth is not exclusive to the bible or even the first time it has been part of a religion. Some times it varies in details but so does the account in the bible, there being at least two different versions in the bible. I see no reason to believe that bronze age primitives had a better take on the universe than we currently do and I see no reason to think they were giants mentally or morally compared to us or any other culture, primitive or otherwise....

I have to agree, that was a totally spineless thing to do, I would move to another planet and avoid this crap totally but the ticket price is bit steep

Possibly the entire problem revolves around what liberal and conservatives really stand for. Liberals try to change the rules to fit reality, conservatives try to change reality to fit the rules, that's pretty much how i see it.... of course it could be a good thing for some people, i for one of course check anything I hear from Fox like it came from the American Association of crazy people.... give me reason to stay on top of the BS I'm being fed... Obviously you do not live in the southern USA or know many religious fundilmentalists... even the local Catholics are into the whole creationist thing... Sadly popularity is how the news is judged, i will admit that freely, doesn't make it reality, just makes it popular, I'm not sure what this says about the public that goes with what Fox news says but i keep thinking of WW2 propaganda, even when it came from the winners it didn't make it true... i honestly don't see it as a crazy thing, it's more of a truth thing for me... if Fox was reporting the truth with even a reasonable slant i probably still wouldn't watch it but I wouldn't be so quick to slam it. Reporting a republican politician as democrat because he failed morally and then using that as a starting point to rant about liberal morals is kinds sad but pretty much representative of Fox News....

I think this boils down to a phenomena that might not unique to our times but it is certain lionized by our society. That would be hooking up with people who are willing to pat you on the back and say yeah, that's exactly the way it is. Yes the reptilians have taken over our world government and it's just a matter of time before the number of children who disappear into the sewer systems as first food for their infants can no longer be ignored! Yes capitalism is the word of God and the rich must be protected at all costs.... Hitler is still alive and breeding an army of super soldiers with his DNA!!! The world is going to end this weekend! No matter how strange you are you can find a group of people who agree with you, Fox News capitalizes on the conservative urges of the population by telling them they were right all along the liberals have been poisoning the well and no one is safe unless they agree with us and since we agree with your conservative values and will report the news in your image instead of that sorry crap that agrees with science, and real intelligence, who needs intelligence you have us, we'll tell you what to think and do! And yes Obama is a fake.... It's sad, Fox News is nothing but a subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) attempt at using fear and loathing of change and the truth when it falls out side our own world view to influence people. People who do not want to hear anything but what they agree with. No intelligence required....No need to think for your self we'll tell you what to think and it will always be within your basic need for the past to come back to life, things never change, the old values will always save us if we just believe! Ever wonder if NAZI Germany had is own news net work so the people could believe they were on the right side and the Jews really were destroying the world, no wait that was propaganda

How is the Hebrew bible any better than tales of Thor the Thunder god? Were the Ancient Jews more intelligent than the Ancient Greeks? The Egyptians? How do you know how it was meant to be interpreted? Dune was beautifully written but i don't want to worship Sand Worms.

Of course there is the all of the above option, why does it have to be either or?

So lying like a rug when it boosts ratings isn't problem? A bias is one thing but Fox has been caught up in outright lies many times, supporting ones bias with lies is hardly what i would call news, it's more like... politics....

All religions have the same definition of god? Ah... no... different sects of Christianity can hardly agree on that much less all religions....

What else would it be?

It is a pretty good question, in this day and age you can find someone who will bow up at the idea of killing anything. i have to fall somewhere in the middle, I trapped muskrats for their fur when I was a kid, they tasted pretty good too, best small animal wild meat you'll ever eat. How ever the idea of smacking baby seals in the head sticks in my throat. From a purely scientific view point we have to consider the ecology and ramifications of loosing even on part of the food web. Ethically it's a mine field, what is more important supporting 20 billion people like kings or a whale? I am a big advocate of space colonization, not because it will remove people from the earth but because we can spread the ecology of the planet. i ascribe to the "Rare Earth" theory for the most part which means that every complex life form is extremely rare and should be protected to some extent at least. Then again i like to eat meat too.... and I'm not shy about killing to eat... I know some real scientists who agree with my patchy idea of saving the animals, but they eat meat too....

I think that bringing any species to extinction is unethical, i tend to think that all animals deserve to exist as much as we do in the general scheme of things. i tend to be brain chauvinistic in that I think that animals capable of conscious thought deserve to be allowed to live with minimal interference from us. Whales are indeed part of the food chain as ultimately we are. i see no reason to hunt whales at all much less to extinction, their flesh is close to being poisonous to eat to start with and i think the Earth as a place to live will be much poorer when they are gone. Like many large animals, humans have pretty much squeezed them out of the ecosystem and they live mainly because we let them live. I'm not sure if i like the idea of cockroaches being the only animal we share the globe with. it's important to note that once gone a species of animal is gone, no bring backs, even if we bring back something like mammoths there is no room for them in the natural world and they would forever be curiosities in a zoo...

I have to ask, why do you say that Venus is not the morning star?

Sweden must be a relatively sane place, i know from being a long time nudist that social nudity isn't quite as big a charge as people think it would be. After about 10 minutes you realize it's not a big deal (at least not in my case, B) ), the idea of it is far more erotic than the reality. it is very true that is you have ever been in a situation like school or military where you shower with others you have indeed been in the presence of some one of the same sex who might have liked the same sex sexually but not necessarily you The idea that nudity equals sex is totally wrong, only in a society that covers up could playboy magazine and the hundreds of Johnny come lately imitations make any money!

Well I have to say if what you are looking for is H2O2 then you are looking in the wrong place. The drug store sells it all day long in liter sized bottles to me the various dyes would be more interesting and makign them glow again is really cool. I have to say that glow sticks are uber cool, i keep several around all the time, they are really good in night time scuba diving, surf fishing, sex, the list goes on and on!

The Department of Defense wants to know if you would feel comfortable showering with gays. http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/leaked-survey-aims-to-gauge-service-members-reaction-to-gays-in-military/19548214 I've given this some real thought, I have quite a few gay friends, i am quite sure i would enjoy showering with most of them immensely, of course I'm not sure how much the lesbians i know would enjoy showering with me Seriously, we have all showered with people who we have no idea of their sexuality and more than few who we were quite sure were indeed homosexual, no one has offered to have sex with me while showering and i don't expect them too. Why does everyone think that just because you happen to be of the gender another person is usually attracted to it makes you attractive to them? Having been a nudist all my life the idea of being uncomfortable showering with some who "might" be attracted to me sexually is totally bogus. Lets hear your veiws...

WOW! How do you narrow it down? It's a Wonderful Life by Gould Rare Earth by Ward and Brownlee The Hot-Blooded Dinosaurs by Adrian J. Desmond Dynamic Aquaria "Building living Ecosystems" by Walter H. Adey and Karen Loveland Handbook of Unusual Natural Phenomena by Willian R. Corliss Life as we do not know it by Peter Ward The Deep Hot Biosphere by Gold The list goes on.... Oh and one fiction book I had the privilage of reading before it was released to the public... and I still have the pre-release copy! really great book, it is of course fiction but with great details of what is was really like in the Cretacious age! Cretaceous Dawn by L.M. Graziano and M.S. Graziano

All I can think of is the Cheech and Chong movie where Cheech pisses on Sargent Stedinkos leg in the bathroom of the police department while the Sergent is desperately looking for the van made of fiber-grass which Cheech is driving around town

I've been thinking of getting into the fermintation of things... Dark blueberry bitters sounds wonderful! I had a buddy who made MJ beer once, it was wild to say the least! You have a recipe for the blueberry bitters?

I think it's an interesting association, no reason to think it's more than coincidence but if you have more evidence I'd be willing to entertain it a little more.... i can also see the possibility the ancient Egyptians might have had a small working telescope, glass lenses in a tube aren't exactly high technology but as i said I'd need more evidence to entertain this idea as much more than coincedence...

HB, this is the key to your problem Life on earth HB, while it is the only life we know of there is reason to think that water may not be the only working fluid of life. Life on the Earth is based in water life on Venus might be based in concentrated sulfuric acid, life on mars might be based in hydrogen peroxide, life on titan might be based in liquid methane. we have one data point, we cannot derive a curve based on one data point, your idea of life is only based in water is just that, an idea, one data point, nothing to back it up but the one data point.... and what does water have to do with the OP of irreducible complexity?

Being further from the Earth than Mars or the Moon doesn't mean they are harder to visit than the Moon or Mars. One thing is certain, the asteroids are easier to mine than the Moon or Mars, asteroids do not have large gravity wells that need to be over come to bring mined materials to the Earth. Any way you slice it materials mined from asteroids are easier to use than materials lugged up out of even the Moons weak gravity well...

You have changed this forum to the same format as the NANFA forum, i seldom go there because it's awkward, clumsy, and it locks up my computer even though that forum deals with one of my main areas of expertise. It's slightly more difficult to find new content on this format than the old was. Reputation was more than a bit more straight forward on the old format. I'm sure I'll get used to the changes evntually...

Any progressive tea party equivalent would be just as repulsive as the original...