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Well, these guys, and all of the other cosmetic sites I looked at, seem to think DPG is a humectant. Skincare LabDipropylene Glycol - Is It Safe | Skincare LabDipropylene Glycol is a type of alcohol popular in skincare, cosmetics, and personal care products to improve the stability and texture of products.

How about corporate price gouging (yes, I know the term is ill-defined but is still apropos for illustration)? Since the turn of the century corporate profits have quadrupled. How many people do you know have had their salaries and compensation quadrupled? StatistaAnnual corporate profits U.S. 2023| StatistaIn 2023, corporations in the U.S.

I don't know about a moving finger but there's always the flying fickle finger of fate...

Pretty sure Disney has been doing this for decades. https://twolittlesparks.com/vacation-advice/iconic-disney-world-smells/

Sure, exactly the same use as propylene glycol, the recommended liquid for in a humidor. So far it seems like the DPG works fine but I just wondered if anyone here knew much more about it than I do. Thanks, I was going to try it anyway unless somebody knew of a good reason not to.

No. The assumption is that American Catholics will give more if the pope is viewed as being "American" rather than from "over there" somewhere. I guess we will see.

Actually, DPG IS a humectant and commonly used in hair and skin care products. I just have no idea how it compares to PG but, so far, there seems to be little difference while curing the humidor.

IMO the reason we have an "American" pope is $$$$. It is still a fact that there is nowhere with more money than the US and the Catholic Church is said to be having serious financial problems. https://www.newsweek.com/pope-leo-xiv-financial-vatican-headache-2069912

I am going to try it. Will post in a few days whether there is a noticeable difference. What you say makes sense, since I believe the glycol is mostly to keep the water from evaporating too fast but have no idea what the reality will be.

This is basically what I have found out and speculated about, nothing definitive, but pointing pretty strongly that one may be substituted for the other. Appreciate the feedback from someone I am sure knows way more about chemistry than I.

I don't think the average American could actually tell you what capitalism is because it is not at all uncommon for there to be large public outcry when it gets put into practice; think robber barons or "price gouging" after a disaster snd during other shortages.

It has to be distilled water or you likely end up with mold, according to what I have read. While not a big deal to get/make, it seems silly to bother for a couple tablespoons of liquid every week when you have copious quantities of a possible substitute on hand most of the time. Short of actually trying DPG, I was hoping to find out more first and have learned a lot about it and similar chemicals but none of the information really seems to address the question I am asking.

I was recently given a humidor and one of the recommendations is to use distilled water or propylene glycol (PG) to hydrate the sponges inside. Unfortunately, I have Dipropylene Glycol (DPG) on hand for making incense but not PG. From my experience and meager knowledge of chemistry, in general, it seems to me one could be substituted for the other for most applications but I have been able to find nothing about doing so in a humidor. I know DPG is slightly more viscous than PG and has a little higher boiling point but have no idea whether the difference is enough to significantly affect performance in a humidor or if DPG would actually even work. If anyone knows a definitive answer to the question of whether DPG can be used instead of PG or even where to begin researching this, feedback would be appreciated.

Obviously, but it has been my experience that exact precision only exists in theoretical discussions and not in the real world.

necro=dead. Meaning the thread has been long abandoned (6 1/2 years in this case), especially one started by a member no longer/never responsive on the site.

If you are trying to kill something bigger than a mouse or squirrel, I don't think it would be a good idea to try and stab it with a knife unless you are wearing some kind of protection. Most animals are not very amenable to strange humans approaching them, even (or maybe especially) if severely injured so may lash out at you.

Those Chinese peasants aren't doing too badly, in less than a lifetime they have gone from being basically a third world colony to contending for being the biggest economic power in the world.

Degrowth is an academic and social movement critical of the concept of growth in gross domestic product as a measure of human and economic development.[1][2][3]The idea of degrowth is based on ideas and research from economic anthropology, ecological economics, environmental sciences, and development studies. It argues that modern capitalism's unitary focus on growth causes widespread ecological damage and is unnecessary for the further increase of human living standards.[4][5][6] Degrowth theory has been met with both academic acclaim and considerable criticism.[7][8][9] Degrowth's main argument is that an infinite expansion of the economy is fundamentally contradictory to the finiteness of material resources on Earth. It argues that economic growth measured by GDP should be abandoned as a policy objective. Policy should instead focus on economic and social metrics such as life expectancy, health, education, housing, and ecologically sustainable work as indicators of both ecosystems and human well-being.[10] Degrowth theorists posit that this would increase human living standards and ecological preservation even as GDP growth slows.[11][12][3] Degrowth theory is highly critical of free market capitalism, and it highlights the importance of extensive public services, care work, self-organization, commons, relational goods, community, and work sharing.[13][14] Degrowth theory partly orients itself as a critique of green capitalism or as a radical alternative to the market-based, sustainable development goal (SDG) model of addressing ecological overshoot and environmental collapse.[15]

Obviously, you have never heard of degrowth economics.

You can claim anything you like but it's a fact that carbon levels (and probably most other kinds of pollution) increased every year since the levels have been measured regardless of whether there has been an economic downturn or not. The sole possible exception may have been a brief time during the covid-19 pandemic when basically everything in the world was shut down so I don't see your argument that an economic downturn might be good for the environment being particularly strong.

If the goal was really to level the playing field and not to just transfer wealth, it seems to me the US would be much farther ahead to drop the idea of tariffs and just require that EVERY product and service bought or sold in the country follow US law from conception to exploration, extraction, refinement, manufacture, assembly, transport, storage and sale. If companies had to; pay at least US minimum wage, (no matter where they were located), allow unions, follow environmental laws, etc, it would take away nearly all of the incentive to be offshore to begin with and allow workers in the poor countries to afford to buy things beyond a subsistence existence.

So you are claiming everyone will be affected equally? I don't see where I ever wrote that anyone would be unaffected.

But a thought struck me, would the resultant contraction actually help the planet and our ability to survive the economist? I'm not sure that it will help the planet much since the people most insulated from any economic collapse are the ones who consume the most resources.

I didn't get anything, at least on the email account I logged in with.

I was going to mention phthalates since that is the only one I frequently use (specifically diethyl phthalate) that, if I am not mistaken, are banned in the EU for cosmetic uses but not in the US.