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Some times I heard 14,6 and other 13,7 billion years old...(?)... Why? This info about longest wavelength is very good and interesting...thanks !!! But may have waves coming from outside of Our Known Universe?... They could be longer wavelength and also go through Our Universe....

OK.. so we can accept that there are waves out of the scope of the normal frecuencies, that we haven´t detected yet and which energy we don´t know...or we have no calculate. Could exist waves with amplitudes and lengths smaler of 10 exp -35 (Planck Length)? And with amplitudes and lengths larger than 10 exp + 10?

I am very sad seeing that new scientifics are so "closed mind",... I thought it was some thing of the past...but I see that always happen the same. If you see the only one who tryed to reasoning is "there are more"...(and too long ...) the other posters only rejects, insults,....and most of them they say theirself EXPERTS...incredibe !! If you are EXPERT, please, carry out any logical reasoning...and then I do like "there are more"...and me , leave some possibility of what others say is true. I think that both theories aren´t proved, so both are possible. But if some body have been to Stonehedge (England) or Peru (Machu-Pichu,...)...please, tell to me. And we could discuss.

I don´t pay academics to say me what to think !!!... I see that you yes... Have you been in Peru? or Stonehedg?

Thanks for your explanation... it is very clear and clever. I see that to use larger waves hasn´t practical sense, but they exist in the universe. So through the universe travel large waves? Possibly waves with lengths and amplitudes of millions of kilometers?.. And they are indetectables for us and ours instruments nowadays? And thes waves are energy?... So we have not detected these energy,...Could be it "Dark Energy"?

Vert interenting documental...thanks Perfect or not...we will generate new species... some will disappear and others will survive, and others may dominate the earth. Similar to the natural evolution....but faster...very faster...too faster !!!

Here you have some that sure you will be able of refuse: 2+2=5 The earth is flat Atoms are the smallest particles of the universe, and they are indivisible. An so on. Etc. Please, If you (an expert) cannot give any proof, evidence, idea, reasoning, argument, logic, think,..."This proposal may be true" Possibly you can give an (or several) alternative proposal?...This could be also an enriching way of join to the thread.

See following document and make a effort of extapolating: What will be beyond these limits? Limits of Perception full documentary on Science Channel - YouTube

Can we consider the electromagnetic waves energy in themselves, or they are only vibrations (transmitting signal / info)?

I would like to know the range (of lengths and amplitudes) of the electromagnetic waves known and theoretically possible Could be between 10 exp -35 meters (Plack Dimension) and 10 exp +1 meters (radio waves).

So far we have conducted genetic experiments on plants and animals, what will happen when you start experimenting with humans? When we will have the first "clone" human? When we will have the first human genetically perfected? When we will have the first hybrid beings? I think that genetic engineering may be the end of the human race as it is now. The current races of animals are the result of a slow evolution through millions of years. When we have the power to manipulate genetically beings, we can make changes of species in a short time. Generating species evoloción never appear in a natural. Much is said about dangers of nuclear , "environmental effects", .. but I did not heard too much of the dangers of genetic engineering. I do not think we are so far away from it. And while they may have laws that control it, we all know that "every law has a loophole ..."! "

I will make a very simple statement that may clarify the discussion. I suppose that we can all agree that if there was not life in the universe, everything is governed by physical laws. With the emergence of life (elementary or not) can begin to raise doubts and questions about: If you only have plants (trees, mushrooms, ...) in the universe, I suppose all will agree that everything would also be governed by the laws of physics. The plants have no power of "free choice" or "free will" and they move by biological laws (chemical and physical). Or is there anyone who believes otherwise? What about animals (mussels, ants, worms, lizards, mice, lions, ...)? ... I guess everyone will agree that they are guided by instinct. What is instinct? ... Perform an action after computing (biological-chemical-physical) information (stimuli, ..) external. For me they would be governed also by the laws of physics. The animals doesn´t have "free will". Or is there anyone who believes otherwise? What about the human? ... It's an animal?. That distinguishes men from animals?: The capacity for consciousness, reasoning, abstraction, ... Where do these differences come from? ... Are these differences sufficient to establish that man has "free will"? ... Or are simply a higher state of evolution of animals, but is still governed by the laws of physics? The capacity for consciousness, reasoning, abstraction, ... can be understud as a consequences of the biological-chemical-physical laws?...or only could be understud with the existence of a "soul".

It´s clear that it has to be proved, but also I would like to know if anybody has proved that it cannot be true, and that other ideas could be better. The "newness" that has this proposal are: - Take into account the different orders of magnitude of the different scales of dimensions of the Universe Global. - That in a certain range of these orders of magnitude different laws to govern (although inter-related with other ranges) that can model different universes (which form an open system). - That these open systems at different scales orders of magnitude, are infinite are both to big or to the small (positive and negative potentials). I think this understanding of the Universe Global provides a framework very simple that can help better understand where we are, and give a feed path of the physical laws are developed and showing or demonstrating. If you currently have any scientific knowledge they could deny to any of the above proposals, I also will appreciate your communicate. But if not, I think they should be considered as a more comprehensive theory of the universe possible.

Every one knows about which will be the first experiments and expected results from LHC-CERN. And when the most important results?...Existence of Higgs bosón (?) It seems that the next 4 July will be some news...about Higgs boson...Do you know anything? Do you know any important result till now?

At last I find someone with the ability to see things for himself (there is more) ... I'm not atheist but I'm agnostic (I cannot prove if there is or not God)...but is incredible that millions of persons could belive in different Gods and Messiah.. read and follow the Bible, Koran, Kabala, Vedas, .... and read about mythologies Egyptian, Sumerian, Greek, Indus, Inca, Maya, ...and don´t see really what is there !!! They preffer to believe in God/s that in Beings....incredible !!!!

Zecharia Sitchin Theories has lacks and faults like any theory...possibly every thing he says is not true or demostrable (twelfth planet,...) ...but give a global idea of the civilization that explains a lot of thinks (religion, mithes, link between them, Giza, floot, ...) There are a lot of literature there... but also very good ideas and lines to be studied. I think that is very poor not to accept a theory because "Sitchin's ideas were rejected by scientists and academics".... I espect more of you and that you may have your own criteria Part of the theories of Zecharia Sitchin could not be academic or demostrable ... but most of them fits very well with the human history. Every thing is pseudoscience and pseudohistory util somebody can prove or demostrate it !!!...but not for it has to be wrong or not true !!! Have you been sometime in Egypt, Perú, Stone Edge...? I did....and humans like us didn´t do it for sure !!!... possible the ginats that the Blible talk about... but humans like us sure not... there are no sence to do it !!! If you go to this places you will see something very curious: As more ancient are the rocks and buildings, larger are the stones, they come from quarries farther and are more perfectly shaped than the more recent. Please, look for your self...and take your own opinion. ,

If only we were talking about what we know and have proven mathematically or physically, science would lose its appeal and advances would be lower. Sometimes it is important to reflect for ideas that can then be checked and accepted. What is important is knowing when it does one thing or the other, and knowing how to conjugate correctly.

From my point of view, the Big-bang of Our Universe y only one of the billions other Big-bangs of other Universes there are in the Whole Universe

IF YOU READ TO ZECHARIA SITCHIN...YOU WILL UNDERSTAND A LOT OF THINGS. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

When is spected first important results from CERN experiments ?

OK...and the other animals (dors, cats,.ants, octopuses, mites, mussels, ...)...they also have freedom of action?...they know wat is right & wrong?

The idea of this thread was to know the STATE OF THE ART , and also some scientifics opinions about the "free energy machines"... but never go against the "first principle of thermodynamics: law of conservation of energy". But you forget one small detail of the definition of this law: "the total amount of energy in any single physical system (without interaction with any other system) remains unchanged with time". Really I don´t know these other possibe systems, but I don´t forget that they could exist !!!..And I try to have my mind open to this possibility !!! Scientific advances may have two ways: - One is the trying to prove in reality that scientific models predict (could be the case of the Higgs boson at CERN). - And other, trying to scientifically explain a phenomenon has been observed in the reality. It is this second that I mean, if there are so many "free energy machines", only intend to analyze with an open mind to understand where they get this extra energy. Some will be a scam, or an error. But some may be able to get this unknown energy ... And we have not surprising, nor should it contradict the law ...