Phi for All

This is dangerous, setting yourself up as the arbiter of truth, but at least you didn't capitalize it.

But it's based on voodoo, which is a form of religion, so none of you lot will ever see it coming.

I'm getting the impression you don't want to hold these discussions here. Where are you taking this trustworthy bunch?

Then you're exactly what we're looking for.

Not really interested in fair. And I'm definitely not interested in trying to use science and religion to prove or disprove one another. It's like trying to use a graduated cylinder to measure how long your driveway is.

I disagree. The main mistake we made before was thinking unrestricted discussion was fair and therefore right for P&R. This allowed trolls who were only interested in either trashing religion or promoting their own religion to post in the subforum. Since we know historically there is no merit in such discussions they won't be allowed. Period. So if you're convinced there is no God, feel free to stay away from the new P&R (at least the religion threads). Same thing if you're absolutely convinced that *your* belief in God is the only true belief. Open yet skeptical minds only please.

From a strictly anecdotal standpoint, you probably overdid it a bit, but just a bit. It probably took you a long time to get in bad shape so don't try to fix it overnight. The pain is normal, even after 48 hours, if you're not used to it. You will build up endurance and muscle tone and you'll have to work harder to "feel the burn". Build up to it gradually if you're afraid of injuries. Stressing isn't supposed to be part of the program. And grats on thinking highly enough of yourself to take some action. For the rest of us who need to exercise more, quid tu moraris?

YT2095, like some others, uses caps for vocal emphasis in a non-vocal medium. Some people use italics, some use * brackets, some use bold and some use caps. Seeing as how he had no way of knowing "fluff" would set you off so badly, lucaspa's thorough answer can be forgiven, yes? Let's curb our sensitivity and get back to the thread.

With most poisons you can build up a resistance such that you require more and more to feel the effects. It's not as bad with nicotine as it is with alcohol since the consequences of overdosing are less severe, but addictive types should watch out for an increase in their intake. Woohoo, way to go, JohnF! Never look back, baby!

There are other P&R forums out there but that's their main concern. P&R would be just a subforum for us. Other sites allow all kinds of preaching and fallacious logic as well, especially ad hominems, Appeal to Tradition and Hasty Generalizations. SFN calls people out on these and even bans people who use them repeatedly as the basis for their arguments. On the whole I think most things can be discussed productively using our methods, even opinion-based subjects like religion and politics. If we re-opened P&R, only members who can discuss Philosophy and Religion with the SFN policies in mind will be allowed to post. And only people with 50 or more posts in the regular sub-forums (minus GD) would be eligible, so drive-by preachers won't happen. Also creationism won't even be discussed since it attempts to use religion to disprove science (of course the opposite won't be allowed either). I don't like the idea that science and critical thinking are only for certain aspects of my life. I find they can be applied in many ways outside the normal scientific arenas.

Do you feel the same about the Politics subforum? YT hates that one too.

Well, they are. AFAIK, they were lost with the server migration. Do you feel the same about a new P&R section? Do you believe SFN should be science only? Or do you think most anything can be discussed applying SFN's no-fallacies methodology?

Other countries like Great Britain, Germany, France, Spain, The Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, South Africa, Belgium, Finland, Canada, countries like those? They all allow gay marriage or something equivalent. You must be talking about countries like Sudan, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, North Korea, and China. Those countries all think like you do. So when you're disrespecting homosexuals at work, school and in public, you're doing so because you want to look good in the eyes of others because their opinions matter more to you? I grew up believing the US had the right to lead only if we did so by example. Leaders require followers and a good follower doesn't follow blindly. So you get the idea that man and woman were made to marry each other from a myth that is highly believed to be untrue? Sounds like pretty shaky ground to build an argument that condemns one person in twenty. A bad picture?! Oh yeah, to those other countries whose opinions matter so much to you. I don't know why you want to be like *them*. I thought you liked the US. Or are you wrapping up your hatred of homosexuals with your love of country and pretending they are the same? Just watch out when you play the patriotism card. You need to remember that the United States allows dissent against it's leaders, always has and has always been the stronger for it, even envied for it. I call it open-eyed patriotism. Let's leave the blind patriotism to the terrorists, shall we?

If you didn't drink *all* the milk from the gallon, how was it still sealed? There are things that could have happened to the gallon from the dairy to the store but most likely the jug or carton was breached after you bought it somehow. That's happened to me before. A swollen container feels heavier because it's bigger than you remember. Your brain probably tells your muscles that the container feels bigger so you'll need more strength to lift it. I've also had the opposite happen. A big can of peaches I thought was full up on a shelf was empty (my mother was keeping bits of cheese for a mousetrap in it). I picked it up using strength appropriate to a full can and slammed it into the shelf above it, knocking it and everything on it down on top of me. Boy, did I feel goofy standing there in all the mess holding an empty peaches can!

Do most chavs live with their parents? Young people with no responsibilities to their own household have all the time in the world to find mischief. This happens a great deal in the US, partly because of the high housing market that keeps young people from breaking off on their own. There are other factors as well. When I moved out of my parent's house I didn't have internet, cell phones and cable TV to budget for. Many young people today consider those basics and won't live without them so they don't move out, they don't invest themselves in an independent life and so they end up bored with plenty of time for trouble.

We discovered you can't separate the origins issue from other parts of spirituality with any degree of success. We still want to offer an outlet for discussing Philosophy and Religion (with the usual argument parameters we enforce everywhere else) but it would mean a lot of restrictions on what can be discussed. No more threads on why religious beliefs are illogical. We also don't really want to compare and contrast religions (beyond where it might have impacted scientific efforts or has some other historical relevance). Nobody wants to waste any more time on creationism issues. And nobody wants to spend any more effort trying to read why one religion is best or worst for all of us. But we should be able to talk about matters that are outside of the scientific purview without resorting to fallacious logic. Unobservable doesn't mean it isn't there, it just means that scientific method can't be applied. When mixing science and religion, you can't use one to refute the other. If we do bring back P&R in some form we need to keep these things in mind.

IIRC, the Book Discussions sub-forum didn't get put on the new server (it wasn't doing well anyway). I think that's why you can't access it. And since it can't be accessed, why would blike bother to post the link? Sorry he didn't reply to you but med school students are like that, only thinking of themselves and their classes.

Good advice, but we don't need the links. The membership can read what is posted whenever it's posted and make their decisions. This will happen quite nicely without your ad hominem approach. You will not. It's counterproductive to your cause because you are breaking the rules and forcing everyone, in fairness, to give more credence to an argument that may not deserve it (people go out of their way to defend an underdog). You are making yourself look like some self-appointed militia-of-one which also undermines your cause. And lastly, warning people about Farsight in threads *before* he comments (however likely he is to post there) is defamation and again puts you in the black hat. You need to trust that the membership and Staff are smart enough to see through anyone who doesn't know what they're talking about. You need to trust that the evidence, untainted by fallacious arguments, will speak for itself.

How interested in it are you willing to be? It looks great to me but you may want to invest the money in some specific chems and equipment, rather than getting a pre-packaged set.

Clothes have always been sexy (even the working classes had party outfits) by denying total observation while hinting at what's beneath. I could argue that modern clothes can be less sexy since they often leave nothing to the imagination, the most powerful aphrodisiac.

On the Atkins diet you ignore carbs from cellulose and fiber. Stay away from sugary vegetables like carrots and complex carbs like starchy potatoes and the rest of the carbs in vegetables are OK on Atkins, iirc.

Thread closed temporarily while link is scrutinized by Staff.

Welcome to SFN. Our members join to discuss science and it's varied applications. We have a lot of problems with people joining to start threads which lead members offsite, often to non-science related marketeers and even scam sites. You've posted twice now and both threads have invited the reader to your own website so you have come under this scrutiny. I'm closing your threads until we're more sure of your intentions. Please read and feel free to post in the forum as an active member and please leave any agenda tied to your site behind until I can check things out. Sorry for the shepherd routine, you're probably no wolf but we need to know what the flock you're up to.

Calm down, there's no need to go all "title-case" on us. Let's keep things civil. Harness is a key word here. There is a lot of energy available here in our own solar system but it's not easy to control it for our use. If we could build a massive solar array in space how can we efficiently get the energy back to Earth?

I said it was *available* as a suppository; you're the one who went out and bought a case of them. Of course, you're brilliant now, but you can't even sit down to study anymore.