Theredbarron

Let me clarify what I meant. I'm on earth and earth has gravity. The gravity of earth is stronger then my machine. So my machine would have to be strong enough to oppose earths gravity. That's what I meant by weight.

You cant even give me something to test this with? All you have is a bunch of words making you sound smart. My theory actually supports all that crap that you keep telling me just no the way your think. so stop assuming and prove me wrong. or stop talking. I understand this logic. The only deal with that is its solely based upon another theory then mine. There is a reason why it doesn't pull through matter at this level of intensity. can magnets go through everything at all levels of intensity.? is a brick in comparison to a paper towel? so its pretty obvious then now isn't it. is that scale moving on the surface of earth? so now what are the result sense the scale that is supposed to be sitting still is moving at 1k mph. gravity effects air with my theory so yes the air is going to move just like it would anywhere else except that high pressure is supposed to move to low pressure yet all the air wants to in the tube and not out. sounds like a low pressure are with heat somehow. so now the air is doing the opposite of what it normally does in our environment. So yes the molecule in the air like nitrogen and oxygen have weight just like everything else. Are they excluded for what your understanding of gravity is? Thank you. I am fully aware of nothing coming from this. I dont even care if its gravity but there's only one way to know for sure no matter how ridiculous it seems. I am defiantly going to use this information and try it out though. Its pretty fun. I'm not even involved in the science world at all with my life. I dont even have the background to show. I just dont want to leave any stones unturned no matter what. Nobody is going to do this for me so here I am. I did have a quick questing though. would making a wheel that does not use my theory replicate the static?

The air is for the demonstrate of its effects. Gravity by all means attract matter correct? So what material could I use or do to the material to get rid of the static charge causing it to attract? What do you think I would need to actually try to test it and remove any possible way of it having a static charge? Not joking. I will do it. This is why im here on this site because for the obvious reason it would be kind of hard to do this and have this amount of feedback from multiple source anywhere else. Agreed? If I made a different wheel not using my theory and spun it the same just to eliminate my theory completely from it should it do the same? I will keep the vibrations by purposely making it imbalanced to keep that variable.

If the tube was metal would that make a difference? I hope you can see why I made it this way. It for exactly what I'm getting out of you right now. Modifiable is the new ugly

and how can I test this for that? and the plastic is isolated by rubber.

Lets just say you figured it out. I mean anyone who is reading this. just for this question you actually figured it out or at least you are certain. Would you show the wheel if at all or try to explain fist? I only ask because I have not done either. Even if Inevitable you are wrong. Why isn't the static attracting or repelling from the sides?

Then what is it? With proof or something that supports your locgic It actually sounds like your mad Please I only say to forget just to see what im saying not that the basic dont matter. Maybe that last bit where you say interpret is what I'm paying attention to.

Your right. So I'm not going to bring up some cliché phrasing to try to reason with you. How is someone supposed to demonstrate a theory to people if all they do is throw other people words at me just because of what they are used to. Lets call it centripetal force if it upsets you that much to expect perfection on the first try. People are the reason why this type of stuff gets missed as well. I will gladly say its not gravity. I still have a question thought if you could take a crack at it. How is it doing what its doing? I never said I had all the answers. I also never said all other theory are incorrect as well. Its rather the misunderstanding of some early observations surrounded by not so modern technology. I do not know anyone in person that is interested in this type of stuff and or could even understand it. If everyone here has an opinion then there are no facts to be found here is there? Im sorry I didn't come up with and awesome cup warmer or something. This is what I've got. No matter how ridiculous it sounds or looks it does not exclude it. I didn't accidently make this happen. I used a theory that just happen to pop up and made me curious. Its not just a " because this is wrong its this type theory". It was "why is this so similar to this type of theory" at first. Then I notice a few other things that correlate. So I started coming up with logic that I know works likes in electricity "opposites attract". I went down that road of what the opposite of gravity is deal. I did find something. I found that something is always occupying space in order for it to be considered space. Then I noticed that all gravity in our cosmos is observed only in motion to include whats creating it. This is why I have stated the very basics of it may have to be forgotten in order to understand. Not all of it. My changes it a little. It may sound crazy and not what anyone is used to but out of just that I was able to create this. You could be right. It may not be gravity by your standards. This is not by your standards. This is just the start. I'm pretty sure someone is going to comment on some things I just said so I will stop there for a min Can you describe what you mean by air flow? I know it sound dumb but I dont want to assume what you mean because no air is going out the other side.

As close as we are able to determine so far. Interesting. Would you like me to use words like show instead of prove? Its still producing that force that you see. No amount of words are going to be able to disprove or disshow, which is not a word because it doesn't happen, the fact that it is creating and controlling it by design and not by accident. So its a demonstration model of how my theory works. I have a cognitive disorder from getting blown up in Iraq so I'm not that good at explaining things. Never was in the first place and not its even better. Just take a second and think about it. It is in fact creating that force that you see. If its not gravity then what is it? The only reason why there is a tube is to direct it in a manner to be manipulated or for use of demonstration. By my theory you can manipulate and create this force. In person it is very obvious. This is not a final copy. It cost me 18$ to make this wheel. This is the very first edition and I want input for making the next one. It will be determined on how I make it based upon which part is so confusing. So it can hopefully attempt to demonstrate the fundamentals of it. The next will not vibrate. If the vibrations are in fact what is causing this then it will not work on the next one. Do you see where I'm going with this? I dont care what people believe in but if they have a question and think it will prove or shed light on something based on there belief or logic then I'm all ears. That being said. If your using information and just stating it and expecting me just to believe what is stated you are wrong. You cant get answer without asking. If you dont want to ask then dont. It doesn't matter to me. It still create that force and controls it even though its very ugly.

See that quote at the bottom “Facts don’t come naturally. Drama and opinions do. Factual knowledge has to be learned.” No one told you it was going to be pretty. Maybe you just cant comprehend it. If its too much for you then dont act like your better then it. You dont even know my theory yet your claiming it vague. Its vague because you wont listen anyways just as you proved to everyone here so I'm waiting for how you think it works so that maybe instead of all this crazy information at one time you might actually understand it. I'm not sure if you know this but air is matter and that's what its attracting no matter how YOU put it. Model or no model where yours. I'm not sure if you have your own theory but you do have something that is part of mine in very small way. The logic with the bump where and object occupies a space them moves from that space rapidly then returns before anything else including the atmosphere can occupy it. This will create a void which is what I'm using to generate the pull. I tried to modify it to where its as smooth as possible. I apologize if I come off as a Dumb A**. I'm not very good at this explaining things. I'm genuinely interested in testing this thing. I would call it centripetal force if that is better. I was aiming for gravity but I can accept centripetal if that what makes sense.

The whole are thing that you guys are getting hung up on is it exactly what I'm proving. My version of gravity affects the outside of everything and not the inside. when I say you need to proof is that I do not need to prove that you're Theory works. You need to prove that you're Theory works because mine is visually showing you what I'm saying. So I cannot use what you are saying to disprove mine because it's exactly what I'm proving so I cannot use what you are saying to disprove mine because it's what I'm proving to you with what you see. So yes the air is going to move with my theory and no it will not penetrate through solid because there is nothing in our Cosmos penetrating through solid creating gravity unless that solid is moving. So come up with proof of what you're saying to try to disprove what I'm saying when I have already created my proof in that fact. That's why it is not my responsibility to prove your theory but rather to prove my theory. The visual effects on the air is what I'm demonstrating as my gravity device pulls it. I'm not creating gravity at the size of a planet.

The problem with eliminating air flow is that air is effected by gravity. So its going to flow no matter how I make this even if I seal if all up it will pull air based upon what theory your using correct? My Theory prove otherwise so this would be a problem. Where in the cosmos is gravity pulling through a solid that is not moving with the field that any one has proved? If you get me that information where they have tested this exact thing "you need to do something simple to eliminate the possibility of airflow. For example, cover the end of pipe with cling-film/Saran-wrap. This will block any air but, obviously, won't block gravity." Unless you want to build one yourself then do that. Its only a phenomenon because no one has answer the questions yet. This is exactly what mine disproves this is what I'm trying to do which requires more than just my brain and ideas to do this but people saying that it's not gravity doesn't mean it's not gravity. I'm going to make some modifications today after work and post another video later. I'll do what I can to make it as scientific as possible but if no one else has been able to create gravity then how can you actually measure it with any measuring tool that we have. You can see the G forces by the paper towel moving

You should watch some of the other videos and if that's not enough I will make sure on the next video to do just that. That's good inputs sir thank you. I should really stop doing this the lazy way but I figure I would be doing this a lot so I will get there. Correct on the first bit there. The explanation's are going to be the opposing arguments of what is actually happening. It will help in the process of testing and debunking. I would love to show the wheel then everyone would have it or they would just laugh if off. Would you take that risk? This still doesn't mean that its not real its just not real pretty and kind of the point. I have actually tried that contacting thing. I'm sure you can see why no one listens. I try not to offend or irritate people. I just dont think that there is any other way to do this when your alone. If I had a group of friends that liked this stuff this would go a hole lot easier. No one I know in person is interested in this kind of stuff. I would love to put one in a clear dome and use smoke to demonstrate. since the dome would be moving with earth the smoke is still going to be effected by gravity on earth so it will have to lift it up and hold it in its field. Would that be a good demonstration? Actually it would be awesome to have some one tell me which version they would rather see to demonstrate its force to represent gravity. If I do in open to the atmosphere I thought about using fire in a small area and have it pull the fire into. Im assuming right now because of testing but I believe it will look as if the fire is circling the drain. Kinda like some stuff in space orbiting a star or whatever else is in the center. Or I could make move a wheeled item as if it were a thruster. Remember im by myself right now so this all will cost and take time. If I only knew people that could help me with that. Which way would you want to see it?

if you increase the centrifugal force then you have to increase gravity in order for you to weight the same on the north pole and the equator. its not the other way around. for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction. that's what I'm using to explain mine. I know it looks like nothing. This is just a very small version of earth rotating in the tube and its creating a pull into the tube without anything going out. It looks like air but air has matter in it so gravity would attract it. I'm trying to find someone with questions that can debunk it or maybe a theory that I can use to try to debunk it. its not a fake.

"If nothing will convince you your viewpoint is wrong, you aren't doing science. That's religion." That's from this website. I want someone to actually use proof to do this. If I'm wrong then recreate it your way and show me. As far as I see mine is creating gravity because the only other term would be centripetal force. My theory is not at a quantum level. There is a lot of interesting stuff going on in there but I cant just believe something. I seek proof out and that's what I use. Anyone can sit there and read off stuff they find online or out of school books. Some of the information is good. I'm not saying that the tests performed are invalid. What I'm really saying is that you can test the same thing many different ways and come up with a different perception of the results from each. That being said the very basics could have been misunderstood. Maybe just maybe its not under a microscope this time. I did actually make this wheel to specifications with measurements. It is performing as intended. If you have a reason as to why its is performing and not just saying stuff like you haven't tested it or that's not how things work. I am going to test this as people tell me how it is doing this. I will find a way to either prove what they are saying or disprove it. Like the drops of weld. They wont be there in the next video and if it does the same thing as its is doing then that theory is debunked and I will wait for the next one. I will not show the wheel till I get it legal just to protect myself. Mine is not using air its using a wheel. I was referring to the equators gravity vs the north pole. The centrifugal force is greater so you would be lighter on the surface at the equator. Gravity would have to increase at the equator in order for you to almost weight the same as the north pole to oppose the centrifugal force. Where is that in the link? Its saying that the force that holds us down has to reduce at the equator to opposite the force that's doing the opposite of gravity makes not sense.

The cylinder is not smooth. Maybe you think you know but you really dont. I will grind it off and disprove that after work today. is it the motion of air? Or is it the attraction of the molecules in the air. Just to let you know there is air on the surface of earth and there is still gravity here. Why wouldn't the gravity effect the air? If you were correct on the surface doing the reverse then it would be pushing the towel away. In a pressurized environment the molecules are trying to move into a space and in a vacuum they are trying to leave it. The air will move just like the air that is moving in our atmosphere right now. Everything on earth is moving at approximately 1k mph. If none of the test were performed in space then they were being effected by the environment just like mine. we are inside a gravitational field so anything inside is effected directly and all the time. I understand that its not going to be easy but if you were to ignore what you have been taught and do your own test from what is actual proven like that all planets are rotating. What would you do if you figured this out? If you think that air is not in space just because then you haven't been look around very much. The air is full of molecules that are effected by gravity. So that very lightweight molecule is going to move to the closes gravitational field that attracts it. So again how is it not going to effect the air if you were to create gravity on earth? So the amount of force from gravity to hold the paper towel is equal to the weight of the paper towel. To lift it is dependent upon the speed of which it is lifted. Did they even consider that the centrifugal force is counteracting the gravity? Where you there for the test? Have you gone to the north pole and tested this theory? The tests that they performed were done in order to find a specific answer and not to actually test gravity. Plus that test was done on the surface and the rings of Saturn are not on the surface. Not the same thing. On top of it all when your at the north pole you are now rotating. Did they mention that part in there findings? That's a lot of variables to just say its true.

if the surface was smooth would that make you happy

Pretty quick to dismiss without any questions. So if your correct then prove it. Make one exactly like mine and create the same force or more if you can. I have a video of my theory in action. You didn't get to see the entire wheel. Just the top is showing and the sides are completely different. I posted another video showing it operating while not oscillating the speed and it still does the same. I didn't come to the table not knowing I would run into this. I want someone to prove what I'm doing by replicating it. If you dont know absolutely how the entire wheel is shaped then how can you tell me that I'm wrong without proof. Proof is not what you learn in school only. Just like electrical energy and how some theories were dismissed until finally the ignorance went away. I'm not saying that this is the only way to do this. This is the only way I could afford to do this. I would take your time and read these carefully. Its still the same as gravity even if you make it a different way. Electrical energy isn't created the same way as the planet is creating it in a sense that its manufactured. Why couldn't I create it?

Actually the raised spaces are bird crap welding splatter from using a flux wire welder. The holes in the back that your talking about are apart of the motor air cooling system which is sealed off on the other end by the wires. It gets pretty hot. The actual wheel if I were to take the tube off would look completely different then you would expect. I should have bought a water cooled motor but I didn't expect to use it for this. I was actually making something else that I cant tell anyone about till they understand this. its pretty far out there considering that all my life I have been told it was impossible. The tube can come off and this will still do the same thing. I only used the tube to control the direction of the devices pull. the vibrations are purely due to the imperfect balance of the wheel. If I had the money I would have cnc machined and it would work better. Nothing in existence is actually sitting still. How can a theory about matter just existing causing gravity if everything in our cosmos that has gravity is moving at a rate of speed in comparison to its gravitational pull. This is where size does matter. Does this sound like anything anyone has seen at a quantum level. I think that the imagination runs wild when no one has an answer. Its been running so wild that we built upon it relying only on the word of people. Yes if you perform test of any kind on one object you will get results not answers. What happens when someone comes along and actually creates a force that is exactly like the gravity that any planet or rotating mass or asteroid that's moving fast enough creates. Its the common denominator that is between all of them that I found and used. No the wheel inside the tube does not look like the surface of earth. I made it to amplify the effects of what certain features of earths surface are doing. It actually is technical even if it looks like a home depot build. I'm not made of money and dont have investors. If we as humans are to answer any of these questions that we have then we need to look everywhere not just wherever other people are saying it is. No one has found it so just maybe this is it. You can say as much as you want from any other theory. Until you can create something with it then I dont believe it. Here is a quick calculation. This wheel inside of that tube is designed to pull at a rate of 800 cubic inches per second at 24k rpm. I did not use pie to calculate its draw as to prevent the assumption that it would accumulate energy. In other words the very minimum that it would create based upon the very basics of my theory. Turns out that the rate of mass acceleration taken from the rate of the pull would end up with an excess of pull energy stored in the accumulated space flowing around the wheel. Its the wheels atmosphere just like a planet. My next wheel is going to be 3ft by 3ft. That one will produce around 2500 cubic feet of pull per second at around 3.6k rpm without the accumulation calculation still.

The tube is actually not a functioning part of it. It only gives it a direction. Im replicating something in space that is seen all the time. The best way to describe it is that you can feel a semi trailer pull on you as it passes at 60 mph. Now do it with everything on the surface of earth and move it 1000 mph including the air. The reason for the rings of Saturn is because the surface at the equator is moving faster then the surface at even 1/2 up to the north pole of every planet. This faster moving surface generates more gravity. Even the air is moving in a pattern to accommodate thus becoming part of the matter that's creating the center seeking force. A example of how but may not be the exact scenario is if a moon used to be in orbit around Saturn and it was hit by something moving at just enough force to break the moon apart but not knock it out of orbit. Saturn is much larger so it should be easier to orbit because of the area of operation that is available around the planet. Plus that planet is rotating somewhere around 21k mph. So depending on what the air is in the atmosphere's density is would determine how much drafting effect it has around the planet. So the pieces of the moon even if they originally where knock up or down the side of the planet as long as it stayed in orbit it would eventually gravitate towards the stronger forces being exerted on it which around that planet are very strong and would be perpendicular to the axis of rotation. hows its sounding so far

Its sealed up. It is a clamp down rotary tool. Note I stated the atmospheric thing in there as pressurized environment. The last thing there is apart of another theory so it does not apply due to lack of evidence. I'm not exactly one to just believe things. My apologies for the way I'm responding. I'm just pointing out how your response sounds to me. My version of this actually explains how the mass wants to get back together. Your pretty quick to dismiss without even knowing what my theory is. You would think as a senior member that you would know the difference between ego and fact. I actually asked the question instead of listing to other peoples answers. So just maybe I'm new to this hole forum stuff is because I have been busy making stuff with my hands and answer whatever questions I can. That's what I was taught to do as a scientist and not assume the answers. How can you have any experience if all you have is a guided belief of one? Did you go and perform your own test to confirm what you believe in? I did. Mine actually does something too instead of it being this huge magical mystery that our predecessors told us it is. I dont have a problem with people questioning something because that's how I got my answers. I do have a problem with people pressing there beliefs without any form of fact or tangible evidence. You should have actually read my post.

This isn't a question of how to create Gravity rather a question on if anyone else has? At least what I'm going to call it till someone can prove it to be something else. It is a budget build version and in no way made in a lab with all the fancy stuff. I didn't just make something move air. This is an actual calculated device with numbers to go with. Whether or not the wheel inside the tube is made to specs is human error on welding and cutting. It was hand made. My first attempt ripped itself apart. It was made of plastic. You can see in the video it vibrates a lot. That's because its not balanced. Its rotating at and around 6k rpm peak. I observed something while oscillating the speed. It feels as though it exponential increases in strength as it reaches higher speeds. I'm pretty sure pie's involved. I actually feel it on the skin which I know people would say its the vibrations but not as I observed it. Even at a low speed you can feel it. This could be just a theory but for some reason its the only device that creates this type of action that I can find. Gravity is going to act different in a pressurized environment rather in a vacuum. This doesn't sound anything like what everyone else is used to. That's because Its not. You will have dump out some of the basics of gravity to get this. The pull on a space is the resultant of the total opposing forces acting on it. Also its sealed on the other end. I have other video of it on you tube.