Theredbarron

Sort of like heating element logic accept I'm using a tube so It can direct the flow in a circle on the one end creating a differential across the distance of the tube. How thick the tube is, the strength of the magnetic field, and the air gap are all going to be at play here still. The differential will be perpendicular to the flow. The further down the tube the more differential. I think the thickness of the tube is going to effect total power. What I want to avoid is the reversing of current to make it easier to continue current flow if that makes any sense.

I'm not using permanent magnets. I was describing what regular DC generators have. My stator will be a solid conductor in the shape of a tube with the Armature inside it. The Armature will only use positive field to attract the electrons in this conductor to create a current much like an eddy current on one end of the tube. whether or not I have a coil on the tube I'm still deciding

The input to a DC generator is either a magnet or an electromagnet in the stator position. I want to input at the Armature and output at where the stator would be.

I do agree that AC Motors are much better also for power generation. DC generators don't have to rectify what's coming out because the contacts only touch the part of the windings of the Armature that are receiving that polarity of magnetic field from the stator. the alternating current portion of a DC generator is only happening in the Armature. I want to make one that creates DC that doesn't alternate current from the rotating shaft all the way out to the output leads. This would be why I need to remake the Armature as far as I can tell. Technically I won't have a stator because I won't have coil windings.

Correct cars do use DC what the alternator uses alternating current then rectifies it to make DC. I know they have DC generators but they alternate the fields in the Armature as far as I understand.

Okay so the whole reason for alternating current from what I understand is to make the electrons have a continual flow correct? If this is so then I would have to make an Armature and a stator because I want to use parallel magnetic fields. This rotor and stator are going to be for power generation but an attempt to create direct current only. Not the gas one that I was talking about. I will still have to use diodes to maintain it's Direction. I'm assuming that this is kind of a problem trying to make direct current only. I thought about that and how just applying a positive field to a conductor only attracts the electrons to that location. So I'm going to move the positive field but it has to be from the inside of a conductor. This is where I want to attempt to make an eddy current. If I can attract the electrons from the inside of a metal tube on one end causing a flow of current on the same end attracting the electrons from the other end. Sort of a twisting and squeezing effect on the electrons from the inside of the conductor.

Another question I have abut static electricity is will it produce o3 if its not creating an electrical arc? More of when the exchange of electrons between molecules as it creates the static electrical energy is what I'm referring to.

I was thinking about using gas for a rotor. On another thread we were discussing static electricity a bit. I want to attempt to stimulate the air and extract the static electricity from it. Is there anything on eddy currents and static electricity?

So is it possible to induce eddy currents without alternating in a conductor making the electrons in the mass move in one direction allowing electrons to be pulled from the other end of the conductor sort of turning the conductor into a capacitor that pulls electrons instead of pushing them or change the polarity and have them push electrons around? To control this flow would be diodes.

Is it possible to use the Eddy currents as an advantage? Are there any other types of armatures out there or is this the issue?

Sorry was it this part? So no matter where they are aligned the same field lines are cut from the iron? That's it for eddie currents? pretty much gone from the laments

Is it the higher up the teeth the more immersed? Is this all pretty much to reduce Eddie currents?

I'm not seeing why its impossible to multiply power output. I get that it takes as much in or more to get the same out but that applies to the power that's rotating that shaft. Cars have been using this type of physics for years now. Its too easy to just say what I'm talking about. The other thing is looping the electricity. I know that you cant just plug power back to the start. It takes energy to create energy so it would just stall itself out if you can even get it to run itself at all. But no one ever said that the energy had to go back to the same spot that it came from. So now all I'm waiting on is some parts and some tests so see what I can do with it. If motor ratings are correct and cars have been using this same logic that I'm about to use then what could go wrong!

I know this might sound dumb but just to make sure are motors rated at the speed that it states? I'm pretty sure that if it states so many watts and whatever rpm means that it creates that force at the rpm it shows even though it may draw more then the rated power correct?

I remember now. Power factor is for inductive load and not resistive. So if the rotating mass is decreased what would this do to the power factor?

I thought power factor was for 3 phase? By real world you mean what its delivering at its shaft in power?

Correct just no extra load

I a load I have placed on it. I used an amp clamp and came up with 1.4 amp at 240v single phase. The motor is moving something its just how much it cost in power to move it is what I want to change. It actually dropped a little lower then that once I changed the motor speed to its most efficient point which was 94% rated speed.

The motors capability is 800. The losses just to run the setup is 336. No extra electrical mechanical load being applied on the output of what I'm working on. That only leave 464 left over. I pretty much cut my capability almost in half just due to rotating mass. Its like trying to race while driving a tractor trailer that's fully loaded.

I am very interested. I am going to use this on what I have now so I can get numbers. My testing right now is showing 336 watts just at rated speed no extra load. I'm only starting with 800 so that's quite the loss. This is why I want to look at armatures. I am definitely considering this.

From what I'm getting is eddy currents are bad. Sounds like They act as to balance the magnetic effects in a conductor or feed back magnetism. Trying to put the electrons where they originally are maybe. Maybe power factor effects as well. The one I want to redesign is more alternator rotor. The coil itself is parallel to the shaft and it uses the conductor to shape the magnetic field. I wanted to separate the movement of the coil to the conductor that is uses to direct the magnetic field. So a 2 piece armature. I believe that this is where I would run into eddy currents from the movement between the coil of the armature and the conductor that's wrapped around it. I kind of always thought that the slots were there to accurately place the coil windings for the most amount of magnetic effect in the conductor that its using. It make me think this would help in creating clean ac voltage. So the energy required to turn a shaft and create 745 watts would have to be equal to that not including losses correct?

I mean 800 watts in and 1600 watts out by multiply. And yes armature effecientcy Yes this too. Im actually looking at cutting the rotating mass by half. I'm trying to find information on what the effects would be by that much weight? Either power generators or motors effects.

So the momentum is what your losing when the weight is reduced then? What about if it was a motor would the momentum be needed?

So I have a theory but I dont know if its a good idea for me to post something like this as in due to the possible value. I do have a question however. Are the motors of today the most efficient design out for armature's as in that's the only way they are made? I have found 2 different versions of todays but I'm sure there is more. Some are more specific to the applications like power generators for the hz and skew and alternators have no need for clean ac so they are much less specifically designed. Not just for power generating armatures but also in regular motors. I should say rotor mainly because what I'm referring to is the coil and the material that is being used to conduct the magnetism from it. I know its one in and one out for energy. What I want to know is that would making a lighter armature be like the difference between driving a semi up a hill vs a fiat 500 when creating electricity? What does reducing the weight of an armature do for power requirements?

Is it still impossible to multiply electrical energy?